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hello and welcome to the show on Martin

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Willis your host we have a fun show this

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with Preston Tennant repeat guest always

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fun to have on the show so I want to

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we are the longest-running possibly the

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longest-running show at least that's

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digital network and that show was

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a place to a place to land and to a home

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base after his contract finally expired

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with Sirius XM so I retired as you know

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after sin on the network Heather Wade

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came in filled in for him did a nice job

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and but recently with the loss of art

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though unfortunately on April 13th

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Heather decided not to come back so

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Keith made a decision to let the show go

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on and it's my pleasure to announce that

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he has a great replacement host Dave

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Schrader of Darkness radio I'm pretty

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excited about that really like Dave a

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lot he's one of the really good people

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out there that dive into this topic he

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also does he also does true crime

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tuesdays is going to keep that going

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which I'm real actually really glad that

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I kept my midnight in the desert

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subscription I and excited to listen to

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Dave as a podcast and anyone can listen

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to the full shows on midnight in the

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desert that's a weeknight especially if

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you're a night owl I should say that

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starts at midnight Eastern Standard Time

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and you can subscribe like I do to a

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podcast so they're great shows ahead and

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anyway I tried to get him to pop on and

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say hi he's a very busy guy a little

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tiny bit of housekeeping here last week

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I mentioned to the listener out there

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that I had some hacking problems and I

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made my website super super secure I

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made it to secure actually the settings

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on the firewall kind of booted it didn't

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kind of blew this off it booted us off

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iTunes so that's really not going to

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affect anyone that's subscribed and

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listening you know through your media

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player but if you listen on iTunes

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itself I'm talking about the free show

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that is this does not affect any

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subscribers so if you listen to the free

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will not be there for a couple of days

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now we did get our feed our our SS feet

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it's called RIA proved and it's

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submitted but I just got to notice

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yesterday from iTunes they say it takes

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up to five days for that to come back so

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should be on back in a couple of days

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well that's it for the housekeeping

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alejandro welcome to the show hello

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thank you

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hey you know what I just thought of the

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people that can't get the show on iTunes

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they can't hear me say what I just said

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so all the people it's gonna affect they

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can't even hear that I said that well

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anyway what can you do yeah that's the

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way it goes so you're not on video this

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week you're no place is getting a lot

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done or something yeah the kitchen is

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getting worked on on the space station

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here and and we're we're so far on the

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other side of the galaxy that the signal

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could not completely reach so it sounds

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a little different and there was so much

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racket I had to go to a different room

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and the the space station this room does

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not have cameras that's Joe and it'd be

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really hard eyes must be hard to get

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good help out there

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you know mm-hmm yeah just that one

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airlock kind of area that you all

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typically see is the only one with that

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with that computer with a camera on in

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the kitchen in the background you can't

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see the kitchen yeah the kitchens on the

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other side of that beautiful kitchen now

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especially because it's getting worked

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out so you might even hear once in a

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while the nail gun going off actually

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all right so what's going on in the UFO

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world oh there's a little other stuff

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going on in the UFO world I guess one

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thing to talk about that I think is

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important and it's interesting where

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this article showed up but it's on the

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online kind of magazine news magazine

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called now and I think this is really

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cool being someone who's into PR and

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stuff they kind of have their own

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Northup groomin has its own kind of news

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magazine site called now and where they

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write some news I just think that's kind

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of cool cuz you know sometimes it's

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harder for corporations to get news out

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like I recently did a thing with 3m and

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they have some interesting science so

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doing their own kind of thing as it's

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kind of neat I think and and this is an

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example of a great story that has come

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out because of that and this is

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regarding fast radio bursts so you and I

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have talked about this before these are

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these radio signals that they've been

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able to hear some of the first people to

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get them are our SETI search for

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extraterrestrial intelligence and

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different cosmic bodies essentially out

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there Suns Nova's all of these things

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kind of create they create radio waves

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that travel throughout space and we

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listen in on those now if you're an

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astronomer you're listening in on those

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to kind of get an idea of the nature of

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this you know thing you're listening to

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but if your SETI the search for

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extraterrestrial intelligence you're

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listening for signals that have some

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sort of signature that they may come

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from an intelligent civilization

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especially if it's the same signal

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repeating

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if it's powerful and it's the same

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signal repeating exactly the same over

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and over again they received some

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signals they weren't repeating over and

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over exactly but they were very strong

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coming from and they weren't of a nature

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that they could understand what they

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were they didn't sound like anything

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we've listened to before so this was

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sort of a mystery now part of this

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mystery was discovered some of these

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were discovered to be they because they

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were happening at the same time every

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day but it turned out one of the

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astronomers was turning on the microwave

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and he damped their lunch and that's

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what caused some of being sent so but we

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only had a few that were truly anomalous

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and then this russian billionaire who

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decided to help out with a search for

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extraterrestrials and essentially he was

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but funded more telescopes to listen for

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more of these things and they retrieved

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a bunch more and so the mystery was even

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bigger it's like wow you know we're

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getting even more of these signals well

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now in this article that just came out

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on May 3rd so just a few days ago they

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have narrowed down where these radio

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waves are coming from and they figure

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that this might be from a certain type

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of Sun essentially so what they're

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essentially have decided is that they

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think that it's coming from like a

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supernova

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long with long gamma ray bursts so

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they're getting closer to discovering

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what it was the bummer is of course it's

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not alien because people were thinking

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and even scientists were theorizing that

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maybe these are alien signals but

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they're getting closer to possibly not a

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an alien signal they don't know exactly

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but they're getting closer to an answer

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so how can they get closer to an answer

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just is that by just you know repeating

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what they're doing or or yeah

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what do they do is they narrow down

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where it's coming from so when you don't

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get many of these signals it's hard to

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know exactly where it's from and and if

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you get them from one telescope if you

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this one area and essentially that's

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what Milner has to do is pay these

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people for telescope time so they can

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focus it at this certain area and then

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receive some more of those signals and

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then they can study them two more

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signals that they get and that's how

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they're able to get closer to an answer

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yeah I know it seems like whenever the

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day and you know I've talked about this

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too whenever they think they discover

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something new and outrageous there

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always seems to be you know a natural

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unusual unheard-of

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way that this happens going all the way

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back since the beginning of astronomy

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you know they keep discovering things

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well it's funny and it is interesting

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because you're exactly right like you

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know with astronomy with a lot of types

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of science we predict we run models we

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have math and we think often we as

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humans or scientists think that they

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understand much about nature so when

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they get something that they can't

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explain or it's way out of the scope of

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what they expect to be out there they it

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kind of really blows their mind and and

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that's why at least in today's world

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that's was kind of more exciting is they

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speculate more and more often in

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scientific circle that hey maybe this is

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aliens I don't know if this is that

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Giorgio tsoukalos is fault that people

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are thinking Balian smore but they're

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like wow maybe this is aliens so it's

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interesting that they're willing to go

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there when it comes to speculation but

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you're right it often turns out to be a

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natural occurrence because science and

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especially in astronomy proves over and

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over again that reality than the nature

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or what's going on out there is much

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much stranger than we could ever imagine

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and so you know that's how discoveries

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are made but it is cool that they're

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going to the alien thing

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and of course it would be exciting and I

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think you know many of people who listen

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to our shows are expecting that you know

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it's possible any moment now they could

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come out and say hey turns out these are

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aliens now these things are so far away

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that the signals that we're getting are

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very very old something like millions of

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years I know I so would wasn't a three

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billion something like that yeah you're

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probably right cuz I remember we

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discussed this before but that would

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mean but that would still be exciting

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think of that we find evidence that

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there was a culture out there three

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billion years ago there are those that

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would be fascinating yeah I remember

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talking to Seth Shostak about the WoW

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signal and he said it was no big deal

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and it just got all of the attention

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because of the astronomer writing Wow

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next to it do you know what the but

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there's been some talk about that our

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people yeah there was a go ahead oh no

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what was interesting is I think what

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you're talking about is not too long ago

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Antonio Paris who's actually someone who

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did some MUFON investigating and started

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his own paranormal group he's an

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astronomer actually he's trying to

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become an astronaut right now and he's

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gaining some ground really cool every

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people should bomb him because one of

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the cool things he's from Puerto Rico

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and he's been raising money and going

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back there and helping people you know

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because they're still out of power in

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many places and people are still

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struggling so it's really cool that he's

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been doing that and I wish him all the

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luck uh Acutes a great guest too if

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you've never had him on your show I have

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before but he did and I and on this

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topic he speculated that the WoW signal

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was some sort of comet or a key figured

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he figured out what that wow signal is

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because they still don't know exactly

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what it was and interestingly enough

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the mystery of it he said Antonio Parris

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was wrong in this paper that he wrote

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and he submitted to a peer review

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article and he says no that the WoW

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signal is still unknown of unknown

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origin so he may have downplayed it to

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you

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but he he defended it recently saying no

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it's still weird so he did so he it's

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fraught it's more important it depends

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on probably the person he's talking to

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you he wants to dissuade people like you

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from going down the extraterrestrial

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route necessarily but at the same time

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he wants to keep that Wonder alive

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because that's what they do they're

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looking for eg signals so he kind of

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plays both sides of the fence there but

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that's probably the news you were

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thinking of that's fairly recent well

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you know I think the next time I talk to

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stuff I'm gonna use reverse psychology

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that's a great idea helps no city lines

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aliens or UFOs stuff what are you

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talking yeah why are you working there

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yeah you should even approach him and be

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like well they figured out what that was

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didn't think that and you're like wait a

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minute and then you can turn it out of

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me and be like so it is aliens yeah yeah

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what's your answers to that yeah yeah

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get that sign up again anything else out

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on we just got a few minutes left here

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okay yeah there's a lot of other

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interesting stuff going on of course you

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could go to open minds to that TV and

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look at the daily headlines and see some

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of this stuff or I know you post links

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as well on your social media but some

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really interesting stuff over and from

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the i-team from George Knapp in

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particular who's of course a a

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journalist with klas and also

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occasionally hosts

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coast-to-coast am but this is news that

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was kind of ink ink lling out from the

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UFO field there are some researchers

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such as the Australian Paul Dean and

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some others who were able to find some

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some paperwork to show that Robert

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Bigelow actually started working on kind

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of with his Bigelow Aerospace UFO and

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paranormal research before this defense

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a

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funding from the government for this

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program but Bigelow spent some of his

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own money on this eventually this is the

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program that turned into the advanced

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aerospace threat identification program

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and essentially Elizondo who headed that

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who recently retired he's won that

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reason we know about all of this he is

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the one who once they lost funding

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narrowed the scope to UFOs essentially

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and renamed the organization so just a

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little bit of background it's not not

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necessarily anything really huge or

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exciting I guess we all knew that

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Bigelow was spending money on this sort

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of research before anyway she had

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something called the National Institute

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of Discovery sciences early on where he

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was looking into paranormal cases and we

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of course we already know that this

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project that Elizondo worked on was

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looking at UFOs which is the big new

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important piece and that they found

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cases where they believed there was

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unknown technology so it's not

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necessarily huge news but it does fill

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in the gaps and give us gives us a

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little more history about what happened

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at that time right right well that's it

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isn't it her tonight yeah that's about

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it that's some of the cool news out

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there

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thought what did we you and I have

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talked about it recently oh the UK UFO

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FILES there were some oh yeah yeah go

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ahead okay and in these files

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essentially they talk about a little bit

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more about this project condign and this

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project condign you know and you might

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have talked to Nick Pope about it and

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and I as well it was a paper that came

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out investigating UFOs and this was

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around 2000 when the investigation

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happened this paper was classified and

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it eventually got Declassified and it

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was interesting but it was really kind

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of speculation about the UFO phenomena

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and more than anything the document

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speculated that perhaps there is a

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plasma phenomena that happens and that's

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what people are observing these lights

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and that's what it was really kind of

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arguing although that it was more

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speculative they didn't really get into

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any hard evidence one of the things they

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talked about was the Rendlesham forest

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and they speculated that you know this

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big mass sighting in 1980 on by a u.s.

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airman on this base that was on lease in

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the UK that perhaps some of those men

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were physically affected by this plasma

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phenomena and so it was interesting I

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asked Nick Pope why did that even happen

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why did these guys spend all this time

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to kind of speculate and look into this

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and he said it was really backed by a

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lot of people who were really interested

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in UFOs who were in the intelligent

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community intelligence community in

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Britain so they wanted to do a study but

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they just didn't have access nor could

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they share classified information so the

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only thing they could really share was

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unclassified information so they

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couldn't really get into much well these

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new files that came out and David Clarke

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a historian in the UK who is interested

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in UFOs kind of overview got some more

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files UFO files and what they show is

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that there was also this kind of

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background at that time to do one last

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study to kind of prove that there's

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nothing to you

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UFOs and that we need to close the books

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and also this discussion about why they

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classified this studying kind of this

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debate on classifying the study and and

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they classified the study eventually

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because they were embarrassed about

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looking into UFOs they didn't want the

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public to know and David Clarke kind of

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argues that you know that is why people

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believe in conspiracies that you know

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they feel there's not much to it but

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then they classify this stuff and then

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it makes it look like there's this

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bigger cover-up and so David Clarke is

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arguing they need to be more forthcoming

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and their embarrassment behind all of

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this is really cause them their own

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problem with conspiracy theories and

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stuff like this

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now Nick Pope is also right now going

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out in their media as we speak he

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tweeted something today and he's arguing

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that these last bit of UFO FILES that

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the UK is releasing they need to provide

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those to everyone for free and they used

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to do that when they were putting out

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all their USF Oh files but unfortunately

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the last few remaining files they've

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released lately you actually have to go

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all the way to this place near London to

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get copies and so they're not providing

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them free to the public for a period of

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time so that's kind of the new latest

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developments on that yeah when you and I

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were talking about that there's so many

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things that happen in the Rendlesham

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forest incident that Plasma just you

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know doesn't fit the intelligence of

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whatever it was the beams coming down to

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the ground and to the to the bomb bunker

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whatever it was exactly there's that's

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directed that seems intelligence this

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this ball of light that beams of light

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and Colonel halt even was a witness to

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this over the weapons storage area where

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you know they're secretly hidden nuclear

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weapons and then it comes towards them

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and beams this light at their feet that

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really is indicative of some sort of

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intelligence and a plasma phenomena

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doesn't seem like it would fit that that

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scenario right

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right alright well hey thanks a lot and

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I hope your kitchen gets tidied up in

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yeah that's again it'll be great yeah we

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can start enjoying some more alien

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cuisine some of these planets out here

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on the far side of the galaxy actually

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have quite the remarkable culinary

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prowess and just some delicious lots of

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vegetarians out here as well so which is

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good for me because I'm a vegetarian so

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yeah yeah I'm enjoying myself and I'm

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looking forward to our kitchen being

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finished up here okay alright Alejandro

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thanks a lot I'll talk to you next week

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alright check you later alright bye bye

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alright everyone so our guest we've had

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him on and I think this will be the

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third time he's on the show his book is

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called undersea UFO base an in-depth

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investigation of UFOs u.s. owes and the

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Santa Catalina channel and more

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he has been investigating UFOs and the

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paranormal since 1986 when he discovered

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that his family and friends and

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co-workers were having dramatic

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unexplained encounters since then he's

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interviewed hundreds of witnesses and a

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variety of paranormal phenomena

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he's also a field investigator for a

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MUFON a ghost hunter all kinds of stuff

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and a fun guy always nice to have on

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Preston welcome to the show hey thanks

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for having me on

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and you remember to unmute your mic that

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you're in the small percentage that

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actually remembers that so hey you were

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on I think about a year ago I believe

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something like that and you have a new

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book and interesting book I've wanted to

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talk to people about you SOS not a lot

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of there's not a lot of books and people

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that actually discuss the subject and

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they're there a small percentage of UFO

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sightings or USO sightings I guess

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they're a small percentage of unknown

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sightings that people see but they're

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very interesting and hopefully we're

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going to be covering why that is and

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some interesting cases and all that can

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you tell the listening audience a little

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bit about yourself that have not heard

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you before yeah sure I got involved in

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UFO research involuntarily by hey in

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1986 after hearing a report on the news

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in mid-november 1986 there was a

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sighting over Alaska by a Japanese

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commercial airliner it's now a really

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well-known case captain Turo she was

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tracked by three very large UFOs -

546
00:25:30,010 --> 00:25:28,670
onboard radar it was a great case the

547
00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:30,020
news people just kind of looked they

548
00:25:32,890 --> 00:25:31,310
just kind of laughed about it

549
00:25:35,650 --> 00:25:32,900
tongue-in-cheek you know they didn't

550
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:35,660
cover really any details at all but it

551
00:25:40,060 --> 00:25:37,370
interested me and I remembered my

552
00:25:43,060 --> 00:25:40,070
brother had seen a UFO so I brought it

553
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:43,070
up to him and he I didn't believe him

554
00:25:48,910 --> 00:25:45,650
the first time um nobody in my family

555
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:48,920
did but now I asked him about it it's

556
00:25:53,470 --> 00:25:51,290
like yeah it was a metallic object you

557
00:25:55,540 --> 00:25:53,480
know I had colored lights on it me and

558
00:25:58,210 --> 00:25:55,550
my two friends chased it well I called

559
00:26:00,880 --> 00:25:58,220
it his two friends and I asked him you

560
00:26:03,310 --> 00:26:00,890
know it's what did you see and they gave

561
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:03,320
the same description and I started

562
00:26:07,810 --> 00:26:04,640
asking people I found out my

563
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:07,820
sister-in-law had seen a UFO she had two

564
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:10,370
friends with her she later had a

565
00:26:18,550 --> 00:26:14,810
encounter with gray type ETS in Van Nuys

566
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:18,560
California near her home right in front

567
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:20,210
of Stagg Street elementary school

568
00:26:26,740 --> 00:26:23,330
actually late at night Wow

569
00:26:28,330 --> 00:26:26,750
my other sister-in-law I brought you

570
00:26:29,890 --> 00:26:28,340
know I asked her about it and she she

571
00:26:32,170 --> 00:26:29,900
finally admitted that she had had

572
00:26:35,050 --> 00:26:32,180
childhood experiences with entities

573
00:26:37,150 --> 00:26:35,060
coming into her bedroom

574
00:26:40,540 --> 00:26:37,160
for about period of a couple of months

575
00:26:43,420 --> 00:26:40,550
and then it stopped I had a best friend

576
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:43,430
who apparently had missing time I had

577
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:45,890
another friend quite a sighting with her

578
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,050
friend she's a pilot a scuba diver a

579
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:50,240
great witness I brought it up at work

580
00:26:55,390 --> 00:26:53,570
and this lady I I worked right next to

581
00:26:58,980 --> 00:26:55,400
her I'd worked with her for gosh five or

582
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:58,990
ten years at this point a long time and

583
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:01,520
she's like yeah I mean my whole family

584
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:03,170
saw this UFO and it was darting around

585
00:27:09,340 --> 00:27:05,810
it would hover it was silent turning

586
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:09,350
right angles mic huh and in walks

587
00:27:12,430 --> 00:27:10,850
Dorothy you know I love Dorothy I've

588
00:27:16,330 --> 00:27:12,440
worked with her for a very long time

589
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:16,340
it's like UFOs oh yeah one chased us

590
00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:17,930
home from the library me and my best

591
00:27:21,730 --> 00:27:20,990
friend and my mom like really she said

592
00:27:24,460 --> 00:27:21,740
yeah

593
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:24,470
we lived this really weird we live five

594
00:27:28,390 --> 00:27:26,930
minutes from the library we left at

595
00:27:30,220 --> 00:27:28,400
exactly nine o'clock right when the

596
00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:30,230
library closed and you know we didn't

597
00:27:34,570 --> 00:27:33,350
get home till 10:15 says it'll it's

598
00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:34,580
really weird I don't know what happened

599
00:27:39,460 --> 00:27:37,100
at the time and you know this was before

600
00:27:43,330 --> 00:27:39,470
Budd Hopkins book missing time had been

601
00:27:46,570 --> 00:27:43,340
reprinted and become the bestseller so

602
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:46,580
I'm like whoa so what was this pardon me

603
00:27:51,570 --> 00:27:48,290
was just before you had ever heard of

604
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:51,580
anyone talk about missing time yourself

605
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:54,770
yes I'd certainly heard of UFOs but

606
00:27:58,570 --> 00:27:56,810
didn't was repulsed by the subject

607
00:28:01,120 --> 00:27:58,580
mainly because people who were saying oh

608
00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:01,130
you know I saw humanoids and I was

609
00:28:05,380 --> 00:28:02,900
pretty sure that the stars were too far

610
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:05,390
away for one thing and second of all

611
00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:09,650
aliens wouldn't look at all like us so I

612
00:28:14,530 --> 00:28:12,460
was just had you know full of free

613
00:28:17,980 --> 00:28:14,540
misconceptions about the phenomena and

614
00:28:20,110 --> 00:28:17,990
our preconceptions but this kind of

615
00:28:23,020 --> 00:28:20,120
broke through that veneer my skepticism

616
00:28:24,250 --> 00:28:23,030
I I'm like this is this is ridiculous

617
00:28:26,980 --> 00:28:24,260
and I'm going to the library and I'm

618
00:28:30,130 --> 00:28:26,990
going to disprove these people and I

619
00:28:33,460 --> 00:28:30,140
couldn't all the books were mostly Pro

620
00:28:34,930 --> 00:28:33,470
UFO and so I started that's how I

621
00:28:37,810 --> 00:28:34,940
started researching stuff I started

622
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:37,820
interviewing people I just couldn't get

623
00:28:43,390 --> 00:28:40,640
over it it was bad news as far as I was

624
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,400
concerned hit me like a ton of bricks my

625
00:28:47,290 --> 00:28:44,960
family friends and co-workers had been

626
00:28:49,630 --> 00:28:47,300
lying to me for a long time it was never

627
00:28:53,260 --> 00:28:49,640
taught in schools it wasn't taking being

628
00:28:56,620 --> 00:28:53,270
taken seriously and yet it looked like

629
00:28:58,980 --> 00:28:56,630
it was actually happening so I dived in

630
00:29:02,400 --> 00:28:58,990
you know I joined all the UFO groups I

631
00:29:06,430 --> 00:29:02,410
started interviewing people going out

632
00:29:08,410 --> 00:29:06,440
into the fields really UFO hunting and

633
00:29:11,020 --> 00:29:08,420
almost immediately I started getting USO

634
00:29:14,110 --> 00:29:11,030
reports so it started right away

635
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:14,120
colonel I I didn't know at the time that

636
00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:17,120
this area was particularly active for us

637
00:29:21,380 --> 00:29:19,500
OS but

638
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:21,390
yeah I started collecting them um gosh

639
00:29:26,270 --> 00:29:22,530
all those years ago

640
00:29:30,650 --> 00:29:26,280
now you're in Southern California

641
00:29:31,790 --> 00:29:30,660
right that's right yeah and I currently

642
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:31,800
live in Reseda

643
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,200
yeah at the time I was researching I

644
00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:36,480
lived closer to the beach in Topanga

645
00:29:41,290 --> 00:29:38,100
Canyon oh yeah

646
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:41,300
and I which no turned out to be a pretty

647
00:29:46,910 --> 00:29:44,580
active area sort of a wave area or a hot

648
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,920
spot and I always thought you know

649
00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:48,480
something about unusual about Topanga

650
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:50,760
Canyon and you know Malibu Santa Monica

651
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:53,130
this area and it wasn't until much later

652
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:54,960
that I started shifting my research out

653
00:30:00,320 --> 00:29:57,720
towards the ocean when I realized that

654
00:30:03,170 --> 00:30:00,330
was probably you know the origin of all

655
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:03,180
this activity there's a well for one

656
00:30:08,660 --> 00:30:06,330
thing there there are so many sightings

657
00:30:11,390 --> 00:30:08,670
in California in general and I just

658
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:11,400
looked in today on statistics on

659
00:30:21,770 --> 00:30:16,740
listeners to my free show and last month

660
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:21,780
or a 40,000 listeners from California so

661
00:30:27,650 --> 00:30:25,890
I mean 40,000 listens I should say on my

662
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:27,660
free show California isn't that way

663
00:30:34,430 --> 00:30:30,930
ahead of the next state below that is

664
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:34,440
New York and that's 10,000 so California

665
00:30:40,910 --> 00:30:37,260
is huge when it comes to listeners to

666
00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:40,920
this show and well also the UFO

667
00:30:47,050 --> 00:30:43,980
sightings are so prevalent yeah it's the

668
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:47,060
number one state yet in terms of UFO

669
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:49,500
producing reports according to both

670
00:30:55,580 --> 00:30:52,290
MUFON and national UFO Reporting Center

671
00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:55,590
right yeah you know Texas is up there

672
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:58,440
Washington but California's number one

673
00:31:01,610 --> 00:30:59,460
yeah by far

674
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:01,620
uh-huh and you know I realized there's a

675
00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:04,650
big population there and the other thing

676
00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:06,360
that kind of plays into it is the

677
00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:08,220
weather is a lot there's a lot more

678
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:10,230
sunny days out there than there is in

679
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:13,440
most of the country actually so that

680
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:16,050
does play part of it play into I think

681
00:31:19,030 --> 00:31:17,850
there's a number number factors I

682
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:19,040
thought you know it was maybe just

683
00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:21,210
Southern Californians in the New Age

684
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:23,640
attitude that was yeah

685
00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:25,290
you know I don't think so there's a lot

686
00:31:32,540 --> 00:31:28,140
of military bases here as well I think

687
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:32,550
that's a factor yeah you know I don't

688
00:31:37,550 --> 00:31:33,510
know it is definitely numb

689
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:37,560
one right right so let's talk a little

690
00:31:44,090 --> 00:31:42,210
bit about you esos what would you say in

691
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:44,100
your research what did you find is the

692
00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:48,240
earliest account of us oh that you could

693
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:52,620
find out that way well certainly they

694
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:54,570
stretch back you know hundreds of years

695
00:32:01,280 --> 00:31:56,250
there's some very early reports from

696
00:32:03,470 --> 00:32:01,290
charles fort there's i believe a report

697
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:03,480
from the christopher columbus actually i

698
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:06,090
which i don't know a whole lot about but

699
00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:08,760
as far as this particular area and by

700
00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:10,350
that i mean right off the Southern

701
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:13,620
California coast sort of the Santa

702
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:15,810
Catalina San Pedro Channel area

703
00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:18,780
stretching like at the north end Santa

704
00:32:26,060 --> 00:32:20,820
Barbara Channel Islands all the way

705
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:26,070
south through malibu santa monica rancho

706
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:28,050
palos verdes Long Beach down pretty much

707
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:33,120
to San Clemente lots of reports and the

708
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:35,610
earliest ones I could find well dated

709
00:32:42,140 --> 00:32:39,510
around the 1920s there was a researcher

710
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,150
by the name of wish our survey who wrote

711
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,880
a book about California mysteries and I

712
00:32:48,340 --> 00:32:46,320
you know talked about a number of

713
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:48,350
different paranormal stuff but mentioned

714
00:32:54,530 --> 00:32:51,240
people who were seeing what they called

715
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:54,540
sky boats but objects which would you

716
00:32:59,900 --> 00:32:56,970
know land on the water right off the

717
00:33:02,210 --> 00:32:59,910
coast there and then take off he just

718
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:02,220
does not have a lot of detail on it but

719
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:03,840
it certainly some intriguing early

720
00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:06,000
reports probably the earliest report

721
00:33:13,460 --> 00:33:08,910
that it's really detailed occurred right

722
00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:13,470
with the modern age of UFOs 1947 and

723
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:14,310
it's actually a really interesting

724
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:17,130
report it began up in the Northern

725
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:20,640
California area in the San Francisco Bay

726
00:33:26,890 --> 00:33:24,240
Area and it involved what shippers you

727
00:33:32,270 --> 00:33:26,900
know freighters called

728
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:32,280
undersea reef or a phantom reef this

729
00:33:38,170 --> 00:33:35,580
mysterious masts underwater that kept

730
00:33:42,140 --> 00:33:38,180
moving around and was causing havoc and

731
00:33:44,060 --> 00:33:42,150
for shipping and so so many voters had

732
00:33:45,710 --> 00:33:44,070
reported this thing that they finally

733
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,720
just called the Navy and said you've got

734
00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:47,200
to investigate this something's going

735
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:50,470
and the Navy sent up a ship called the

736
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:53,110
Mori to investigate it and they actually

737
00:33:59,970 --> 00:33:57,850
tracked this phantom reef down the coast

738
00:34:03,149 --> 00:33:59,980
of California to Southern California

739
00:34:06,810 --> 00:34:03,159
which at which point it went out to sea

740
00:34:10,109 --> 00:34:06,820
maybe 200 miles or so they tracked it

741
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:10,119
there they caught it on their sonar and

742
00:34:16,980 --> 00:34:12,730
at some point just disappeared they

743
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:16,990
never found it again so this was a large

744
00:34:23,010 --> 00:34:20,079
mass you're saying actually yes

745
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:23,020
absolutely very large and they could not

746
00:34:28,169 --> 00:34:25,119
figure out what it is and apparently it

747
00:34:31,649 --> 00:34:28,179
wasn't ours so they were very concerned

748
00:34:33,690 --> 00:34:31,659
and never found it after it disappeared

749
00:34:36,180 --> 00:34:33,700
but I'm thinking you know this is

750
00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:36,190
probably when the activity really I mean

751
00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:38,260
this is when the activity started in

752
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:43,020
earnest in this area I uh I have a

753
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:45,010
someone that's been on the show before

754
00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:48,609
that had an encounter I just text him

755
00:34:52,260 --> 00:34:50,260
right now to see you can call in and the

756
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:52,270
we're take will be taking calls after

757
00:34:56,700 --> 00:34:55,210
nine o'clock so I hopefully he'll call

758
00:34:58,650 --> 00:34:56,710
in and tell his story you'll be able to

759
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:58,660
get to hear that as well I'm not sure

760
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,359
exactly where that was based I think it

761
00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:02,800
actually was on the East Coast but not

762
00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:04,900
positive but when you were you look when

763
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:08,200
you were looking into this did you also

764
00:35:12,359 --> 00:35:11,170
look at other regions besides just

765
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:12,369
California as well

766
00:35:19,470 --> 00:35:16,750
I did not in-depth I'm certainly aware

767
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:19,480
that there's USL activity all over the

768
00:35:24,930 --> 00:35:22,240
world for that matter it's not just in

769
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:24,940
oceans it's in lakes and rivers you know

770
00:35:32,460 --> 00:35:29,040
that a Puerto Rico has a lot of activity

771
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:32,470
but I I mainly concentrated my research

772
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,400
in this area I did get a number of

773
00:35:41,130 --> 00:35:38,800
reports from other people which were

774
00:35:43,859 --> 00:35:41,140
very intriguing a very intriguing case

775
00:35:47,010 --> 00:35:43,869
off the East Coast one in the Bahamas

776
00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:47,020
area another in a small lake outside of

777
00:35:55,140 --> 00:35:50,740
Hot Springs Arkansas another in a lake

778
00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:55,150
in Florida Lake makuu's Miccosukee so

779
00:36:01,080 --> 00:35:57,730
yeah a lot of reports on but in this

780
00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:01,090
area I've documented over seven

781
00:36:08,010 --> 00:36:04,840
reports of us owes and for that matter

782
00:36:09,690 --> 00:36:08,020
the same the same amount of UFOs which

783
00:36:13,020 --> 00:36:09,700
you know weren't seeing going into the

784
00:36:15,150 --> 00:36:13,030
water but we're seen above the water so

785
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,160
it's a lot of reports in this area

786
00:36:20,220 --> 00:36:17,440
stretching back you know all the way to

787
00:36:22,860 --> 00:36:20,230
the nineteen forties at least to pretty

788
00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:22,870
much the present day and it's got to be

789
00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:25,030
a lot more than just the seventy because

790
00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:26,470
as I'm sure you know most people don't

791
00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:29,830
report through UFO sightings in any

792
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,190
official capacity when it's had maybe

793
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:34,720
one in a hundred right yeah I'm thinking

794
00:36:38,660 --> 00:36:36,730
home a seventy we're probably closer to

795
00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:38,670
seven hundred maybe seven thousand

796
00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:43,080
reports yeah I've been at a number of

797
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:45,550
conferences where they'll ask people how

798
00:36:50,340 --> 00:36:47,200
many people saw a UFO and then how many

799
00:36:53,490 --> 00:36:50,350
people report them and it's a very small

800
00:36:55,260 --> 00:36:53,500
fraction I would guess that you're

801
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:55,270
probably right right up one out of ten

802
00:37:00,360 --> 00:36:58,480
people may actually report them you know

803
00:37:02,190 --> 00:37:00,370
of the people in those audiences I don't

804
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:02,200
you know I've seen that at times

805
00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:04,690
especially if it's a really major

806
00:37:09,590 --> 00:37:06,940
encounter they're less inclined you know

807
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:09,600
if it's a freaky details and all of this

808
00:37:15,390 --> 00:37:12,910
you know every person that I can think

809
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:15,400
of that I've talked to that really

810
00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:17,050
doesn't pay attention to the subject and

811
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:18,580
just had you know had a sighting and

812
00:37:22,770 --> 00:37:21,310
tells me about their sighting I can't

813
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:22,780
think of one single person that's ever

814
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:25,690
said and I reported it you know that

815
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:27,730
they had the encounter it will blew

816
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,310
their mind or you know whatever it is

817
00:37:34,530 --> 00:37:32,800
had happened but I don't ever remember

818
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:34,540
anyone saying they reported I didn't

819
00:37:40,110 --> 00:37:37,390
report my my sighting I had in you know

820
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:40,120
2006 all right if you were to

821
00:37:43,110 --> 00:37:41,920
extrapolate you know new Forks numbers

822
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:43,120
and MUFON numbers that people who

823
00:37:47,490 --> 00:37:45,490
actually do report to move on the number

824
00:37:50,670 --> 00:37:47,500
of reports actually taking place daily

825
00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:50,680
is it's not just a dozen or so it's

826
00:37:54,030 --> 00:37:52,360
probably closer to hundreds and I'm

827
00:37:55,830 --> 00:37:54,040
guessing like right now someone's being

828
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:55,840
abducted multiple people right now

829
00:38:01,830 --> 00:37:58,210
there's many people on our planet having

830
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:01,840
sightings at any given time which really

831
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:06,400
makes you wonder like who's visiting us

832
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:10,240
that's always the question and why why

833
00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:13,570
so frequently and another thing okay

834
00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:16,260
getting back to us

835
00:38:22,380 --> 00:38:19,030
that is such a puzzle what are they

836
00:38:24,569 --> 00:38:22,390
doing under the water and a couple of

837
00:38:26,309 --> 00:38:24,579
reasons I say that first of all of

838
00:38:28,049 --> 00:38:26,319
course is a lot more water on the earth

839
00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:28,059
and there is land mass so there's plenty

840
00:38:33,059 --> 00:38:31,030
of places to hike but what did they just

841
00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:33,069
rest on the bottom and it sounds awful

842
00:38:38,539 --> 00:38:33,790
boring to me

843
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:38,549
or do they you know are these actually

844
00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:42,130
non-human Don you know our mechanical

845
00:38:46,109 --> 00:38:43,630
devices or you know I mean there's just

846
00:38:48,780 --> 00:38:46,119
so many like a drone or or something

847
00:38:51,539 --> 00:38:48,790
there's there's just so many so many

848
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:51,549
questions these even more questions you

849
00:38:57,839 --> 00:38:55,410
SOS on you SOS and there are UFOs to me

850
00:39:00,960 --> 00:38:57,849
you know the pressure of the the depth

851
00:39:03,210 --> 00:39:00,970
of the water all that stuff is how do

852
00:39:07,140 --> 00:39:03,220
they deal with that and there are

853
00:39:09,319 --> 00:39:07,150
obviously water proof right well I I

854
00:39:12,270 --> 00:39:09,329
think probably some of them are drones

855
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:12,280
as we would think of them because I know

856
00:39:16,589 --> 00:39:15,040
that this one guy I interviewed I didn't

857
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,599
get to do a formal interview with him I

858
00:39:22,319 --> 00:39:18,880
did talk to him a few times he was scuba

859
00:39:25,099 --> 00:39:22,329
diving in this area and had this little

860
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:25,109
ball of light comes zooming up to him

861
00:39:31,650 --> 00:39:27,520
are you serious no I know the guy really

862
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:31,660
well and he says the Yak came right up

863
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:33,280
to me scared - living daylights out of

864
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:36,160
me and moved very fast it was much too

865
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:38,530
small you know size of a softball he

866
00:39:42,329 --> 00:39:40,000
said maybe a little larger it was hard

867
00:39:44,220 --> 00:39:42,339
to tell it's pretty bright and it kind

868
00:39:46,319 --> 00:39:44,230
of startled him but it was not another

869
00:39:48,660 --> 00:39:46,329
diver and it moved way too fast

870
00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:48,670
certainly wasn't a fish no this is

871
00:39:53,789 --> 00:39:50,470
mooring day lighter is just night diving

872
00:39:56,059 --> 00:39:53,799
this was daylight yeah but still that's

873
00:39:58,079 --> 00:39:56,069
crazy I'm still the light is

874
00:40:01,890 --> 00:39:58,089
significantly cut down when you're

875
00:40:06,030 --> 00:40:01,900
underwater there but yeah most of these

876
00:40:09,089 --> 00:40:06,040
um I think are your standard UFOs you

877
00:40:10,349 --> 00:40:09,099
can't really cook call them UFOs when

878
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:10,359
they're underwater so that's how the

879
00:40:15,299 --> 00:40:14,170
term you know uso was coined but

880
00:40:18,270 --> 00:40:15,309
otherwise they're pretty much the same

881
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:18,280
thing some of these objects are much

882
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:20,170
larger than others you know all the way

883
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:24,730
from stadium-sized 200 feet 300 feet all

884
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:27,369
the way down to tiny little you know 20

885
00:40:32,940 --> 00:40:28,570
foot 10

886
00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:32,950
craft and another really weird thing and

887
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:35,800
this has always puzzled me in UFO

888
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:38,560
research in general is the wide variety

889
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:42,730
of shapes hmm you know there's the

890
00:40:48,210 --> 00:40:44,710
standard saucer shaped and certainly

891
00:40:50,670 --> 00:40:48,220
there's a lot of reports of that but in

892
00:40:53,550 --> 00:40:50,680
this area there is every shape I have

893
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:53,560
ever heard and some I haven't ever heard

894
00:40:58,050 --> 00:40:55,330
I'm that people could not describe them

895
00:41:01,380 --> 00:40:58,060
as they were no blobs or oddly shaped

896
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,390
with strange angles but yes spherical

897
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:03,280
saucer shaped Mantaray shaped

898
00:41:14,010 --> 00:41:09,330
cylindrical you name it these triangles

899
00:41:17,220 --> 00:41:14,020
box shaped rectangular like organically

900
00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:17,230
shaped other some like that I mean those

901
00:41:23,220 --> 00:41:19,960
are there's like there was an octopus

902
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:23,230
type of UFO someone reported and you

903
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:26,710
know really strange looking things do

904
00:41:30,210 --> 00:41:27,910
they have those type of things coming

905
00:41:34,290 --> 00:41:30,220
out of the water - all right those

906
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:34,300
doughnut shaped yeah there was manta ray

907
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:39,370
shaped but I did not get octopus but but

908
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:41,410
it wouldn't surprise me I mean I mean we

909
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,090
also there's also these weird kind of

910
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:47,920
glowing clouds or anomalous cloud

911
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:50,290
phenomena these weird clouds that will

912
00:41:56,610 --> 00:41:53,110
appear with very sharp edges and seem to

913
00:41:59,400 --> 00:41:56,620
have little pastel lights around the

914
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,410
perimeter some people say the lights get

915
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:01,200
really bright and start to look metallic

916
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:03,370
and then the clouds will like split

917
00:42:11,340 --> 00:42:07,650
apart and create a row of objects so

918
00:42:13,650 --> 00:42:11,350
it's all kind the whole range of

919
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,660
sightings it's taking place in this area

920
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:14,800
now

921
00:42:19,650 --> 00:42:17,650
our what is more frequent when someone

922
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:19,660
is reporting one coming out of the water

923
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:23,890
or one going into the water and in by

924
00:42:28,770 --> 00:42:26,290
far and I think the reason for that is

925
00:42:30,810 --> 00:42:28,780
because they're more visible

926
00:42:32,970 --> 00:42:30,820
I'm not tripped that's entirely true but

927
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:32,980
uh you see this object in the sky and

928
00:42:36,030 --> 00:42:34,210
then it's coming down coming down coming

929
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:36,040
down and it goes in the water whereas if

930
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:38,410
one comes out if you don't catch it as

931
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,970
it's coming out you would never know

932
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:41,920
right

933
00:42:45,690 --> 00:42:44,049
so I'm guessing that's the reason I'm

934
00:42:48,839 --> 00:42:45,700
not sure that they actually are more

935
00:42:50,370 --> 00:42:48,849
common number of people never see these

936
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:50,380
objects come in or out they just see it

937
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:53,530
under the water particularly boaters and

938
00:43:00,359 --> 00:42:57,040
a few Beach people along the beach but

939
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:00,369
the rarest of all is to see one go in

940
00:43:07,859 --> 00:43:03,369
and out of the water but I got a couple

941
00:43:10,589 --> 00:43:07,869
of those too well if I was out of my

942
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:10,599
boat and I saw a UFO under the water

943
00:43:15,390 --> 00:43:13,510
I would totally freak out it much sure I

944
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:15,400
would much rather see one in the sky

945
00:43:18,450 --> 00:43:17,770
something like that it kind of gives me

946
00:43:21,809 --> 00:43:18,460
the creeps

947
00:43:23,819 --> 00:43:21,819
I can't imagine so well what yeah I mean

948
00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:23,829
this one senior electronics engineer

949
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:26,260
great witness was out there and this is

950
00:43:31,890 --> 00:43:28,450
the mid 1980s at the northern end and

951
00:43:34,829 --> 00:43:31,900
his fully equipped boat foggy night

952
00:43:36,690 --> 00:43:34,839
going along when he sees this green glow

953
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,700
ahead of him he's like well that's odd

954
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:38,319
you know that's not standard lights and

955
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:39,910
it's getting brighter and brighter and

956
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:41,710
so he stops you know doesn't want to

957
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:43,690
have a collision and this thing just

958
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:45,369
gets closer and closer to suddenly

959
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:48,130
realizes this thing was under water and

960
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:51,760
it came right up to his boat said it

961
00:43:56,609 --> 00:43:54,130
must have been at least 300 feet across

962
00:43:59,160 --> 00:43:56,619
much larger than his boat he looks down

963
00:44:02,190 --> 00:43:59,170
at his compasses they're slowly spinning

964
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,200
both of them one spun sergeant faster it

965
00:44:06,180 --> 00:44:04,240
actually broke off its moorings he tried

966
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,190
to call the Coast Guard his radio is

967
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:08,319
dead he said at this point he was just

968
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:11,049
too petrified to move that's a direct

969
00:44:17,609 --> 00:44:13,930
quote and just completely freaked him

970
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:17,619
out and eventually moved on but what I

971
00:44:23,789 --> 00:44:19,210
found real interesting about that report

972
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:23,799
it was pretty you know low I'm very

973
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:26,650
close to his boat I guess maybe 50 100

974
00:44:31,950 --> 00:44:29,650
feet down not not very deep but it

975
00:44:34,740 --> 00:44:31,960
targeted him it actually came you know

976
00:44:36,990 --> 00:44:34,750
and targeted his boat and there was case

977
00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:37,000
after case like that where these things

978
00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:39,670
are you know could have gone around but

979
00:44:46,410 --> 00:44:41,380
no they don't they come right under the

980
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:46,420
boat fire yeah now Catalina Island in

981
00:44:53,789 --> 00:44:49,690
particular now I know you did the Santa

982
00:44:55,830 --> 00:44:53,799
Catalina Ridge I mean a channel but

983
00:44:57,870 --> 00:44:55,840
Catalina Island

984
00:44:59,880 --> 00:44:57,880
there's been a lot there's been so many

985
00:45:04,530 --> 00:44:59,890
UFO sightings there that they actually

986
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:04,540
have like a program for UFO tours which

987
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:10,530
is ryan easing yeah I went there with my

988
00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:13,090
office my co-workers met the boss to do

989
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,350
you know a little vacation to cuddle him

990
00:45:18,270 --> 00:45:16,240
and we're on the bus were taking the bus

991
00:45:20,370 --> 00:45:18,280
tour and he starts talking about UFOs

992
00:45:23,070 --> 00:45:20,380
everyone at my work turns and looks

993
00:45:27,350 --> 00:45:23,080
right at me you know I'm pretty well

994
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:27,360
known at my office for this stuff okay

995
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:30,400
but yes I mean the reason for that is

996
00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:34,240
just its prime viewing area on it's

997
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:37,390
literally overlooks the exact center of

998
00:45:43,650 --> 00:45:42,010
this activity mmm and I mean this was

999
00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:43,660
really the first data point I have like

1000
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:46,420
five really strong data points well well

1001
00:45:51,540 --> 00:45:49,090
I started to think there's a USO base an

1002
00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:51,550
undersea base and the first one was just

1003
00:45:58,020 --> 00:45:54,670
a huge number of reports in a sharply

1004
00:46:00,990 --> 00:45:58,030
defined area so if you go to Northern

1005
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:01,000
California yeah there's a few but

1006
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:03,310
nothing like here certainly Oregon

1007
00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:05,770
Washington no up and down the East Coast

1008
00:46:10,410 --> 00:46:09,070
the you know the Gulf of Mexico like

1009
00:46:13,170 --> 00:46:10,420
like we mentioned earlier there are

1010
00:46:16,110 --> 00:46:13,180
areas around the world which do have a

1011
00:46:19,110 --> 00:46:16,120
lot but I'm thinking this has got to be

1012
00:46:20,670 --> 00:46:19,120
one of the top five areas and I mean

1013
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:20,680
mile for mile it might be the most

1014
00:46:26,670 --> 00:46:24,400
active area on our planet so I mean what

1015
00:46:28,670 --> 00:46:26,680
does that say I mean this is what really

1016
00:46:31,170 --> 00:46:28,680
I'd be scratching my head I'm like

1017
00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:31,180
something's going on here something has

1018
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:33,190
got to be going on here because how do

1019
00:46:38,190 --> 00:46:35,770
you explain the huge number of reports

1020
00:46:39,810 --> 00:46:38,200
in a sharply defined area that seemed to

1021
00:46:43,740 --> 00:46:39,820
be centered right over the water

1022
00:46:46,370 --> 00:46:43,750
hmm so this is where he came up to the

1023
00:46:50,970 --> 00:46:46,380
thought there might be an underground

1024
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:50,980
UFO or USO base right it kind of came

1025
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:53,410
slowly I know Robert Stanley he's an

1026
00:46:58,860 --> 00:46:57,310
early researcher and uh still active he

1027
00:47:00,780 --> 00:46:58,870
was one of the first to like point to

1028
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:00,790
this area and say hey you know stuff is

1029
00:47:05,850 --> 00:47:03,040
going on he had a number of sightings

1030
00:47:08,250 --> 00:47:05,860
himself of objects going in and out of

1031
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:08,260
the water and as far as I know he's the

1032
00:47:13,590 --> 00:47:09,730
first to actually speculate

1033
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:13,600
that there is or could be some sort of

1034
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:16,390
base down here and and he you know he

1035
00:47:22,530 --> 00:47:19,570
wrote about this possibility I know and

1036
00:47:25,740 --> 00:47:22,540
ruffle another pioneering early

1037
00:47:27,870 --> 00:47:25,750
researcher yeah she pointed to this area

1038
00:47:29,849 --> 00:47:27,880
of way back in the 1970s and says we

1039
00:47:32,190 --> 00:47:29,859
should you know put this under constant

1040
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:32,200
surveillance because something is going

1041
00:47:37,710 --> 00:47:35,770
on in this area bill Hamilton he

1042
00:47:40,770 --> 00:47:37,720
uncovered reports a lot of early

1043
00:47:43,950 --> 00:47:40,780
researchers uncovered reports long

1044
00:47:45,810 --> 00:47:43,960
before I came along and I started

1045
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:45,820
getting reports right away I mean one

1046
00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:48,910
lady I interviewed she's driving along

1047
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:51,070
the coast with a friend her friend is

1048
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:54,609
driving she's at Malibu and she looks to

1049
00:47:58,410 --> 00:47:57,130
the ocean she sees this light floating

1050
00:48:00,450 --> 00:47:58,420
on the water I'm just thinks well that's

1051
00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:00,460
odd it's very bright it looks just like

1052
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:03,369
a sphere of light not like a boat really

1053
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:07,359
bright she turns to her friend says look

1054
00:48:11,580 --> 00:48:09,310
at that what do you think that is she

1055
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,590
points to it as soon as he looks at it

1056
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:13,920
this thing takes off straight up

1057
00:48:21,570 --> 00:48:17,770
disappears well so I talked to another

1058
00:48:23,970 --> 00:48:21,580
guy lives has a house on the coast he

1059
00:48:26,220 --> 00:48:23,980
saw an unidentified floating object

1060
00:48:27,630 --> 00:48:26,230
right there floating on the water called

1061
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:27,640
the Coast Guard they're like no it's not

1062
00:48:32,190 --> 00:48:29,050
a boat he's like are you sure it looks

1063
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,200
like a boat on fire says it was giving

1064
00:48:38,420 --> 00:48:34,720
off prismatic glows and just really

1065
00:48:41,370 --> 00:48:38,430
bright like no we don't know what it is

1066
00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:41,380
so yeah I started getting a lot of

1067
00:48:46,530 --> 00:48:43,990
reports I was talking to some people who

1068
00:48:47,550 --> 00:48:46,540
are having abductions and they started

1069
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:47,560
telling me you know I think there might

1070
00:48:53,099 --> 00:48:51,010
be a base in this area just their

1071
00:48:56,070 --> 00:48:53,109
intuitive feeling you know I was

1072
00:48:57,930 --> 00:48:56,080
thinking the same thing because just of

1073
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:57,940
the huge number of reports there was

1074
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:00,400
another lady I talked to she was told

1075
00:49:05,609 --> 00:49:03,369
flat out by great iboötis she's up in

1076
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:05,619
the Santa Barbara area they told her

1077
00:49:11,609 --> 00:49:09,280
that they do have bases in the ocean and

1078
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:11,619
have been here for a very very long time

1079
00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:14,530
among other things they told her but

1080
00:49:21,330 --> 00:49:16,270
yeah I started hmm beginning to wonder

1081
00:49:22,650 --> 00:49:21,340
if maybe there is a base you know I've

1082
00:49:23,549 --> 00:49:22,660
got a number of data points pointing

1083
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,559
towards the stronger

1084
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:25,359
by far as the huge number of report

1085
00:49:32,339 --> 00:49:29,680
reports well you know I I know a lot a

1086
00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:32,349
longtime friend of mine years before I

1087
00:49:37,529 --> 00:49:34,420
even she was a friend of mine before I

1088
00:49:39,779 --> 00:49:37,539
got into UFOs actually and it's through

1089
00:49:43,890 --> 00:49:39,789
my real life which is antiques and fine

1090
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:43,900
art eventually you know we have like a

1091
00:49:46,859 --> 00:49:45,369
comfortable relationship where I could

1092
00:49:49,410 --> 00:49:46,869
talk to her and eventually I told her

1093
00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:49,420
that I'd do a show in UFOs and I had a

1094
00:49:56,759 --> 00:49:55,390
sighting and etc and she she has she

1095
00:49:58,140 --> 00:49:56,769
lives and I'm trying to remember it

1096
00:50:00,059 --> 00:49:58,150
something like Gold Beach Oregon

1097
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:00,069
something like that I think that's what

1098
00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:02,650
it's called and she said that there's

1099
00:50:07,439 --> 00:50:04,630
several scientists that have just shown

1100
00:50:08,670 --> 00:50:07,449
up there and they had a talk one night

1101
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:08,680
and they think that there's something

1102
00:50:14,489 --> 00:50:12,400
off the coast up there is what they were

1103
00:50:15,630 --> 00:50:14,499
coming up with in some type of

1104
00:50:17,609 --> 00:50:15,640
communication

1105
00:50:20,819 --> 00:50:17,619
she was this is things that she was

1106
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:20,829
talking about these aren't my words and

1107
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:23,890
that whatever it is is dormant and going

1108
00:50:28,109 --> 00:50:26,529
to be dormant until all of a sudden you

1109
00:50:32,939 --> 00:50:28,119
know they'll all wake up at the same

1110
00:50:34,829 --> 00:50:32,949
time in these little bases up there and

1111
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:34,839
something's going to happen according to

1112
00:50:38,699 --> 00:50:36,880
her and that's why the scientists moved

1113
00:50:42,569 --> 00:50:38,709
there and I thought it was kind of wacky

1114
00:50:44,489 --> 00:50:42,579
but you know for her to come up with all

1115
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:44,499
this I had no idea she had that aspect

1116
00:50:50,339 --> 00:50:47,249
of that side of her you know she's very

1117
00:50:52,229 --> 00:50:50,349
balanced type of person I worked at the

1118
00:50:52,829 --> 00:50:52,239
Vatican as an artist and you know all

1119
00:50:58,019 --> 00:50:52,839
kinds of things

1120
00:50:59,969 --> 00:50:58,029
so anyway interesting you know and I do

1121
00:51:03,179 --> 00:50:59,979
understand why a lot of people think is

1122
00:51:06,089 --> 00:51:03,189
that you know like I said earlier

1123
00:51:09,630 --> 00:51:06,099
there's so much water on this planet you

1124
00:51:12,299 --> 00:51:09,640
know like for instance if space junk

1125
00:51:14,339 --> 00:51:12,309
falls you know 90% of the time it seems

1126
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:14,349
to fall in the water doesn't even you

1127
00:51:19,859 --> 00:51:16,569
know fall on land land is just such a

1128
00:51:21,959 --> 00:51:19,869
small part of what we are here right

1129
00:51:24,269 --> 00:51:21,969
well I mean I think that's one of the

1130
00:51:26,789 --> 00:51:24,279
reasons that they're taking advantage of

1131
00:51:29,279 --> 00:51:26,799
it is is that we can't go underwater in

1132
00:51:30,660 --> 00:51:29,289
the way that they can so these objects

1133
00:51:33,630 --> 00:51:30,670
are coming down and they hit the water

1134
00:51:34,589 --> 00:51:33,640
and um don't make a splash you know

1135
00:51:37,329 --> 00:51:34,599
don't make a sound

1136
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:37,339
they have obviously some sort of force

1137
00:51:42,670 --> 00:51:40,450
or some way of pushing the water aside

1138
00:51:45,009 --> 00:51:42,680
and could come up out of the water and

1139
00:51:46,859 --> 00:51:45,019
don't drag the water in most cases with

1140
00:51:50,769 --> 00:51:46,869
them there are a few where they have

1141
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:50,779
actually but in most cases now and I

1142
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:53,599
don't know how many you Essos there are

1143
00:51:57,700 --> 00:51:55,729
but I'm guessing there's a lot of them

1144
00:52:00,180 --> 00:51:57,710
that we don't know about wouldn't

1145
00:52:04,029 --> 00:52:00,190
surprise me if there's multiple bases

1146
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:04,039
but definitely this area um I think

1147
00:52:09,309 --> 00:52:06,890
they're hiding down there because they

1148
00:52:12,489 --> 00:52:09,319
can and because we can't get that to

1149
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:12,499
then certainly not easily and it's

1150
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:14,089
really interesting because you know this

1151
00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:17,690
area where they're at is not a great

1152
00:52:25,089 --> 00:52:21,369
place for UFOs Hurley in terms of being

1153
00:52:27,489 --> 00:52:25,099
caught being seen because on the north

1154
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:27,499
end we have Point Mugu Naval Base

1155
00:52:31,979 --> 00:52:30,049
there's San Clemente Island just beyond

1156
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:31,989
Catalina which is purely military

1157
00:52:38,620 --> 00:52:34,910
there's Seal Beach Naval Weapons

1158
00:52:43,450 --> 00:52:38,630
stations at the south end it's a pretty

1159
00:52:45,219 --> 00:52:43,460
heavily militarized area so it's pretty

1160
00:52:47,890 --> 00:52:45,229
surprising that there's so much activity

1161
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:47,900
here has anyone ever speculated that

1162
00:52:55,359 --> 00:52:52,640
this could be secret military craft are

1163
00:52:57,849 --> 00:52:55,369
you know certainly I'm guessing some of

1164
00:53:01,390 --> 00:52:57,859
it might be but I'm pretty darn sure

1165
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:01,400
that most of it is not and I'll tell you

1166
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,400
I've got five really good reasons why I

1167
00:53:08,019 --> 00:53:06,559
don't think it's military certainly I've

1168
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:08,029
talked and talked to some of these

1169
00:53:11,979 --> 00:53:10,249
military guys I talked to a submarine

1170
00:53:14,259 --> 00:53:11,989
navigator I talked to you the

1171
00:53:20,349 --> 00:53:14,269
electrician's mate on a submarine I

1172
00:53:23,229 --> 00:53:20,359
talked to a navy officer who saw a USO

1173
00:53:25,390 --> 00:53:23,239
in this area so they're certainly

1174
00:53:27,789 --> 00:53:25,400
baffled by it themselves but the reason

1175
00:53:31,749 --> 00:53:27,799
why I don't think it's military is

1176
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:31,759
because for one people are being taken

1177
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:34,249
on board these craft and they're not

1178
00:53:39,999 --> 00:53:37,640
seeing humans they're seeing greys we're

1179
00:53:42,459 --> 00:53:40,009
seeing praying mantis there's some cases

1180
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:42,469
where people are seeing humanoids but

1181
00:53:49,450 --> 00:53:46,249
they're not human does not appear to be

1182
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:49,460
that these was ever inside these is

1183
00:53:52,770 --> 00:53:50,690
military

1184
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:52,780
that's the first reason but secondly

1185
00:53:58,540 --> 00:53:55,310
these sightings are taking place over a

1186
00:54:00,970 --> 00:53:58,550
very heavy population center and it

1187
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:00,980
flies in the face of military protocol

1188
00:54:08,740 --> 00:54:06,170
to test fly advanced secret craft over

1189
00:54:11,230 --> 00:54:08,750
someone's house over everybody's house

1190
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:11,240
or to chase cars down the road or to

1191
00:54:15,340 --> 00:54:13,520
hover right over a home and light it up

1192
00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:15,350
so that everyone inside wakes up and

1193
00:54:20,620 --> 00:54:18,560
comes outside I mean there's they're

1194
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:20,630
putting on what amounts to displays in

1195
00:54:27,810 --> 00:54:23,680
some cases clearly wanting to be seen

1196
00:54:30,310 --> 00:54:27,820
know it's military does not do that

1197
00:54:33,250 --> 00:54:30,320
I'm going to say about 10% of the cases

1198
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:33,260
maybe a little more 20 these objects are

1199
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:36,290
being chased by military aircraft we're

1200
00:54:42,090 --> 00:54:39,040
not going to be chasing our own aircraft

1201
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:42,100
so that doesn't make sense

1202
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:46,130
another reason is there are just too

1203
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:48,770
many of these sightings there's too many

1204
00:54:54,100 --> 00:54:50,570
of these crafts I don't think our

1205
00:54:57,250 --> 00:54:54,110
military has that many airplanes or

1206
00:54:58,900 --> 00:54:57,260
advanced aircraft certainly that's been

1207
00:55:02,050 --> 00:54:58,910
going on way too long

1208
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:02,060
these objects were darting around you

1209
00:55:07,450 --> 00:55:04,370
know hovering silently way back in the

1210
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,460
40s and 50s and 60s well before our

1211
00:55:12,940 --> 00:55:09,680
military was you know as advanced as it

1212
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:12,950
is today right so I mean there's all

1213
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:15,680
these reasons why it certainly does not

1214
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:19,250
look like it's military and yeah the

1215
00:55:24,940 --> 00:55:22,850
military witnesses I've spoken to a

1216
00:55:27,820 --> 00:55:24,950
Coast Guard captain I've spoken to you

1217
00:55:29,770 --> 00:55:27,830
know lots of people are completely

1218
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:29,780
baffled and they said no no no this is

1219
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:33,200
not military it's not has anyone ever

1220
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:37,040
mentioned any type of sound coming from

1221
00:55:42,730 --> 00:55:41,450
these objects no not really I mean

1222
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:42,740
there's a few cases where people have

1223
00:55:49,060 --> 00:55:44,960
said they've heard a low buzz in terms

1224
00:55:52,510 --> 00:55:49,070
of us OHS no no one's heard any sound

1225
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:52,520
from them really at all but a few cases

1226
00:55:59,020 --> 00:55:54,530
involving the low hum a low buzzing

1227
00:56:02,050 --> 00:55:59,030
noise but those are actually very rare

1228
00:56:04,420 --> 00:56:02,060
in terms of know you SOS and UFOs right

1229
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:04,430
over the water here yeah

1230
00:56:09,590 --> 00:56:08,460
but yeah they're north north of you I

1231
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:09,600
mean I'm sorry

1232
00:56:18,820 --> 00:56:12,660
south of you actually off San Diego the

1233
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:18,830
Nimitz back in 2004 the Nimitz case that

1234
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:21,450
there's conflicting reports and I don't

1235
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:25,520
know which one is actually accurate that

1236
00:56:35,180 --> 00:56:32,250
some say that the object was right above

1237
00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:35,190
the surface of the water and then a few

1238
00:56:39,140 --> 00:56:37,260
times I've heard someone say that the

1239
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:39,150
object was just below the water do you

1240
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:41,730
did you look into that in all the Nimitz

1241
00:56:48,410 --> 00:56:44,730
case um no I don't know a lot about that

1242
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,420
particular case I do know there's a lot

1243
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:50,640
of military witnesses I mean one that

1244
00:56:57,710 --> 00:56:54,720
really impressed me I talked to dr. Gary

1245
00:57:01,760 --> 00:56:57,720
Wagner who was on board the USS Long

1246
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:01,770
Beach this was back in let me see 1983

1247
00:57:09,730 --> 00:57:05,010
now the USS Long Beach is a

1248
00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:09,740
nuclear-powered aircraft run ship so

1249
00:57:15,860 --> 00:57:13,140
this I think is what really attracts the

1250
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,870
UFOs and the USO is because this has

1251
00:57:20,330 --> 00:57:17,520
turned up in two other cases and he was

1252
00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:20,340
off on the far side of Catalina Island

1253
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:22,800
when they saw a very unusual object

1254
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:23,850
right there on the water

1255
00:57:27,110 --> 00:57:25,290
they couldn't tell if it was you know

1256
00:57:30,350 --> 00:57:27,120
right above the water are on the horizon

1257
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,360
or partly in the water but it was just

1258
00:57:34,820 --> 00:57:32,400
large kind of half disk with a little

1259
00:57:38,660 --> 00:57:34,830
kind of section PI like section cut out

1260
00:57:40,310 --> 00:57:38,670
of it it was pulsating and he calls the

1261
00:57:41,450 --> 00:57:40,320
bridge and tries to get information and

1262
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:41,460
they won't tell him anything they're

1263
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:43,650
like we're just too damn busy here but

1264
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,210
everyone on the ship saw it it was a

1265
00:57:51,110 --> 00:57:47,520
relatively brief sighting but they could

1266
00:57:53,390 --> 00:57:51,120
not identify it I talked to a Coast

1267
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:53,400
Guard captain he had a really amazing

1268
00:57:59,780 --> 00:57:57,210
sighting not in this area but off like

1269
00:58:02,660 --> 00:57:59,790
near the Haiti area the Dominican

1270
00:58:05,630 --> 00:58:02,670
Republic this area was with two other

1271
00:58:08,060 --> 00:58:05,640
people in a boat small boat which was

1272
00:58:11,860 --> 00:58:08,070
actually a navy boat with equipped with

1273
00:58:14,990 --> 00:58:11,870
sonar it was no not active the equipment

1274
00:58:17,970 --> 00:58:15,000
but he was coming into you know a safe

1275
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:17,980
harbor after a very big storm when

1276
00:58:23,420 --> 00:58:21,490
they were targeted by these us OHS which

1277
00:58:27,260 --> 00:58:23,430
came right under their boat and were

1278
00:58:29,550 --> 00:58:27,270
large 20 feet across perhaps

1279
00:58:31,710 --> 00:58:29,560
doughnut-shaped meaning they had a

1280
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:31,720
hollow center but very large kind of a

1281
00:58:37,230 --> 00:58:35,410
blue ring of light and would blink on

1282
00:58:40,290 --> 00:58:37,240
and off he says there must have been 10

1283
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:40,300
maybe 20 of them or more

1284
00:58:43,290 --> 00:58:41,890
I was very hard to tell if they were

1285
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:43,300
moving or not because they were moving

1286
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:46,330
and it freaks them all out none of them

1287
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:48,310
could identify it he contacted me

1288
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:50,650
because he says honestly I can't find

1289
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:53,440
any information about us O's really at

1290
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:55,450
all you know on the internet or anywhere

1291
00:59:01,710 --> 00:58:57,490
there's not a lot of information out

1292
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:01,720
there and they were kind of followed by

1293
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:03,850
these u.s. OS for a short period until

1294
00:59:08,730 --> 00:59:06,240
they no went into the harbor there and

1295
00:59:12,210 --> 00:59:08,740
right after they parked and all the UFOs

1296
00:59:14,490 --> 00:59:12,220
were gone one final object came up and

1297
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:14,500
went right towards their boat as if

1298
00:59:20,190 --> 00:59:17,680
investigating them so I mean yeah these

1299
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:20,200
military guys are seeing this stuff and

1300
00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:22,930
I guessing it's a lot more common than

1301
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:25,270
we're hearing because it's military

1302
00:59:30,690 --> 00:59:28,690
policy to not talk about this yeah

1303
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:30,700
that's the person that's going to call

1304
00:59:35,580 --> 00:59:32,050
in here and a little bits going to talk

1305
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:35,590
about that particular aspect of it now

1306
00:59:41,250 --> 00:59:38,410
shag harbour for instance you know that

1307
00:59:44,220 --> 00:59:41,260
was there would they tractor there is I

1308
00:59:46,590 --> 00:59:44,230
don't know how accurate it is but it was

1309
00:59:50,330 --> 00:59:46,600
I believe the first time the the Navy

1310
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:50,340
actually admitted that it was a UFO and

1311
00:59:57,810 --> 00:59:53,170
there was some tracking of I think two

1312
00:59:59,820 --> 00:59:57,820
objects way up the coast so that's again

1313
01:00:01,410 --> 00:59:59,830
on the East Coast but that's that's one

1314
01:00:04,020 --> 01:00:01,420
of the really great sight you know one

1315
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:04,030
of the great sightings I think oh very

1316
01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:06,010
well very well verified lots of

1317
01:00:12,359 --> 01:00:08,950
witnesses official documents lasted a

1318
01:00:13,790 --> 01:00:12,369
long time it's a great case yeah very

1319
01:00:17,310 --> 01:00:13,800
familiar with it

1320
01:00:18,810 --> 01:00:17,320
they're unusual one case oh god I'd love

1321
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:18,820
to talk about just because I think it's

1322
01:00:23,849 --> 01:00:21,130
one of my favorite in the book didn't

1323
01:00:27,810 --> 01:00:23,859
take place in this Catalina channel area

1324
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:27,820
but rather on the East Coast in 1971 to

1325
01:00:31,530 --> 01:00:29,410
a guy named Ray Sachs

1326
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:31,540
who was an electrician's mate on the USS

1327
01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:34,810
clam Igor it's a submarine with nuclear

1328
01:00:39,570 --> 01:00:37,510
missiles in it and he was on the other

1329
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:39,580
subs and never had anything unusual

1330
01:00:44,610 --> 01:00:42,130
happen gets on board this sub and

1331
01:00:47,010 --> 01:00:44,620
strange things started happening I mean

1332
01:00:49,170 --> 01:00:47,020
one point all the engines shut off there

1333
01:00:51,810 --> 01:00:49,180
are you know multiple backup things that

1334
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:51,820
should not allow this to happen but it

1335
01:00:56,490 --> 01:00:54,160
did they couldn't explain it but the

1336
01:00:58,650 --> 01:00:56,500
weirdest incident by far occurred in

1337
01:01:03,170 --> 01:00:58,660
1971 is they're heading up the coast

1338
01:01:06,660 --> 01:01:03,180
there and this they were on the surface

1339
01:01:08,430 --> 01:01:06,670
moving along at around 12 knots or so he

1340
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:08,440
was a lookout along with another petty

1341
01:01:11,790 --> 01:01:10,090
officer he was an electrician's mate

1342
01:01:14,460 --> 01:01:11,800
the captain was there in the

1343
01:01:17,820 --> 01:01:14,470
second-in-command were all on deck when

1344
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:17,830
this USO comes zooming up he said maybe

1345
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:22,000
a hundred knots very fast and totally

1346
01:01:27,810 --> 01:01:24,880
silent comes right up next to the sub 50

1347
01:01:30,690 --> 01:01:27,820
feet off and starts pacing them tracking

1348
01:01:31,650 --> 01:01:30,700
them it's got to be 50 feet across it's

1349
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:31,660
huge

1350
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:34,930
very bright and the captain turns to Ray

1351
01:01:38,790 --> 01:01:36,370
and says you know what are the sonar

1352
01:01:41,490 --> 01:01:38,800
guys say are they painting anything what

1353
01:01:43,410 --> 01:01:41,500
do they see and they didn't weren't

1354
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:43,420
seeing anything they saw nothing at all

1355
01:01:49,740 --> 01:01:46,720
this was not showing up on sonar did you

1356
01:01:53,970 --> 01:01:49,750
see this 71 19 oh yeah

1357
01:01:56,430 --> 01:01:53,980
yeah I believe it was 71 Wow and so

1358
01:01:58,920 --> 01:01:56,440
they're freaking out because this object

1359
01:02:00,810 --> 01:01:58,930
is not going away

1360
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:00,820
it's following them they don't know what

1361
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:03,610
it is and one by one all the main

1362
01:02:07,830 --> 01:02:06,640
officers go up on deck to take a look at

1363
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:07,840
this thing because they want to see it

1364
01:02:13,110 --> 01:02:10,450
of course the you know those petty

1365
01:02:15,810 --> 01:02:13,120
officers are not allowed on deck but Ray

1366
01:02:17,550 --> 01:02:15,820
sax is they were watching all of this as

1367
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:17,560
one officer after another comes up looks

1368
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:21,370
at it then goes back below this object

1369
01:02:27,390 --> 01:02:24,130
paste that submarine the clan ogar for

1370
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:27,400
about 15 maybe 20 minutes before it

1371
01:02:34,620 --> 01:02:30,970
finally took off in another direction at

1372
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:34,630
about a 15 ounce and was right under the

1373
01:02:38,910 --> 01:02:36,160
water there you know 20 feet down maybe

1374
01:02:41,250 --> 01:02:38,920
30 that was hard for them to tell they

1375
01:02:44,220 --> 01:02:41,260
couldn't see any solid object just a

1376
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:44,230
light but what's the aftermath was

1377
01:02:49,260 --> 01:02:46,930
really interesting because a ray and the

1378
01:03:00,440 --> 01:02:49,270
other look out there just talking their

1379
01:03:09,690 --> 01:03:05,430
let me see if I can get him back on the

1380
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:09,700
line I'm gonna have to hang up and so

1381
01:03:18,060 --> 01:03:12,610
hang in there everyone I'm going to hang

1382
01:03:22,050 --> 01:03:18,070
up on him and call him right back and so

1383
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:22,060
just hold tight I'm not sure exactly

1384
01:03:40,009 --> 01:03:35,490
all right so it's it's after just after

1385
01:03:42,539 --> 01:03:40,019
9:00 we're actually taking calls so that

1386
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:42,549
number I'm gonna we're gonna have over

1387
01:03:55,049 --> 01:03:50,250
on the screen right now and let's see

1388
01:03:58,579 --> 01:03:55,059
I'm not sure what happened hopefully

1389
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:58,589
he'll dial back in he's not picking up

1390
01:04:03,329 --> 01:04:02,079
these type of things is it's always the

1391
01:04:06,809 --> 01:04:03,339
government that does this type of thing

1392
01:04:08,999 --> 01:04:06,819
I'm sure all right so you can see that

1393
01:04:11,609 --> 01:04:09,009
number is up on the screen right now on

1394
01:04:14,099 --> 01:04:11,619
YouTube anyone listening live right now

1395
01:04:17,940 --> 01:04:14,109
can call in that number or you're

1396
01:04:20,970 --> 01:04:17,950
welcome to call while we're waiting I'm

1397
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:20,980
gonna see if I can get the person to

1398
01:04:39,059 --> 01:04:36,490
call in now hang on just a second anyway

1399
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:39,069
I will try them one more time so that

1400
01:04:48,089 --> 01:04:40,690
number is up on the screen if anyone

1401
01:04:50,339 --> 01:04:48,099
wants to call in and interesting topic I

1402
01:04:51,180 --> 01:04:50,349
find this a very interesting topic I'm

1403
01:04:55,309 --> 01:04:51,190
not sure

1404
01:04:59,789 --> 01:04:55,319
and of course I'll say this to him too

1405
01:05:01,380 --> 01:04:59,799
I'm not sure how much I really buy into

1406
01:05:05,130 --> 01:05:01,390
the fact that there's possibly an

1407
01:05:09,900 --> 01:05:05,140
underground underwater that is base off

1408
01:05:11,819 --> 01:05:09,910
the shore I know the I think was Jimmy

1409
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:11,829
Church made something kind of famous

1410
01:05:17,730 --> 01:05:15,039
calling an underwater base it's

1411
01:05:19,710 --> 01:05:17,740
something on Google Maps if you check

1412
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:19,720
that out you can see it okay

1413
01:05:27,870 --> 01:05:22,000
looks like he's calling back well I

1414
01:05:32,370 --> 01:05:27,880
think it is hello is this Preston or is

1415
01:05:33,150 --> 01:05:32,380
this a caller that's really caller hi

1416
01:05:36,450 --> 01:05:33,160
caller

1417
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:36,460
thanks for calling in you have well our

1418
01:05:40,259 --> 01:05:38,710
guest is not with us do you have a

1419
01:05:45,980 --> 01:05:40,269
sighting you want to talk about or

1420
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:45,990
thanks for calling not yet well I I do

1421
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:49,410
but I wanted to ask him a question

1422
01:05:57,050 --> 01:05:55,530
basically all right he he disappeared

1423
01:06:00,260 --> 01:05:57,060
I'm not really sure exactly what

1424
01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:00,270
happened but what's your first name were

1425
01:06:06,500 --> 01:06:05,400
you calling from Midway Utah and you

1426
01:06:10,190 --> 01:06:06,510
what's your first name Michael

1427
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:10,200
Michael welcome to the Michael no well

1428
01:06:16,310 --> 01:06:14,160
Michael hopefully he will call in any

1429
01:06:18,109 --> 01:06:16,320
second I'm not sure if his internet went

1430
01:06:22,190 --> 01:06:18,119
out or what but what exactly were you

1431
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:22,200
gonna ask him for a question uh I was

1432
01:06:31,820 --> 01:06:27,330
curious if you've ever he has ever heard

1433
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:31,830
of any stories where it's the aliens

1434
01:06:35,570 --> 01:06:33,930
that the people that have seen aliens if

1435
01:06:39,470 --> 01:06:35,580
they've ever heard about this white

1436
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:39,480
powdered gold this monatomic elements

1437
01:06:44,660 --> 01:06:41,760
that supposedly the aliens know about

1438
01:06:46,130 --> 01:06:44,670
and because it's what I think gives them

1439
01:06:49,070 --> 01:06:46,140
their long life and their super health

1440
01:06:51,890 --> 01:06:49,080
and their intelligence anyway

1441
01:06:55,849 --> 01:06:51,900
well okay never heard of any of this

1442
01:06:57,650 --> 01:06:55,859
stuff so I guess we just tried to call

1443
01:07:01,220 --> 01:06:57,660
in I try to accept this call I'm not

1444
01:07:04,609 --> 01:07:01,230
sure what is going on here I can wait

1445
01:07:08,810 --> 01:07:04,619
yeah I mean well though we have mark you

1446
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:08,820
want I am here mark our guest we lost

1447
01:07:13,790 --> 01:07:10,490
our guest he just tried to call in

1448
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:13,800
Michael do you mind calling back a

1449
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:17,010
little bit later on is that when I get

1450
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:21,330
when we get Preston back sounds good all

1451
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:24,290
right I appreciate the call thank you

1452
01:07:29,870 --> 01:07:27,570
mark how you doing hey Martin how are

1453
01:07:32,660 --> 01:07:29,880
you good so listen we're going to have

1454
01:07:35,450 --> 01:07:32,670
to try if I'm not sure what's going on

1455
01:07:37,970 --> 01:07:35,460
with with Preston's here he is right now

1456
01:07:41,810 --> 01:07:37,980
let's try to get him back on okay sure

1457
01:07:44,330 --> 01:07:41,820
all right just right here we go I think

1458
01:07:46,190 --> 01:07:44,340
it's gonna work hey you're back I am

1459
01:07:47,690 --> 01:07:46,200
thank you hey Preston I'm not really

1460
01:07:50,060 --> 01:07:47,700
sure what happened

1461
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:50,070
you froze and then that was the end of

1462
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,490
you so you're back thank you Hey hey

1463
01:07:57,500 --> 01:07:55,680
Preston we had someone call in and ask a

1464
01:07:59,870 --> 01:07:57,510
question I didn't quite get what he was

1465
01:08:01,249 --> 01:07:59,880
saying exactly but um we

1466
01:08:05,269 --> 01:08:01,259
you have someone on we have Mark

1467
01:08:07,279 --> 01:08:05,279
Dantonio on and I told you earlier that

1468
01:08:07,999 --> 01:08:07,289
I was up wanting him to come on to tell

1469
01:08:12,289 --> 01:08:08,009
his story

1470
01:08:15,529 --> 01:08:12,299
so mark well we're on with Preston

1471
01:08:18,260 --> 01:08:15,539
Dennett hi Preston how are you I'm great

1472
01:08:20,300 --> 01:08:18,270
how are you I'm just fine thank you it's

1473
01:08:23,570 --> 01:08:20,310
fine I'm actually out in the observatory

1474
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:23,580
so you have to mind the sounds of the

1475
01:08:27,530 --> 01:08:25,409
telescope because I'm doing a little bit

1476
01:08:28,849 --> 01:08:27,540
of research here but I told Martin I

1477
01:08:30,349 --> 01:08:28,859
could call in anyway and we could talk

1478
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:30,359
for a while

1479
01:08:34,939 --> 01:08:33,449
sounds okay to me but you know so Martin

1480
01:08:37,249 --> 01:08:34,949
when he let me talk to him about or tell

1481
01:08:39,919 --> 01:08:37,259
you guys you know we're talking about us

1482
01:08:43,459 --> 01:08:39,929
and just a minute ago I was talking

1483
01:08:46,490 --> 01:08:43,469
about a case back in 1971 that was very

1484
01:08:47,599 --> 01:08:46,500
similar or you know talking about speed

1485
01:08:52,579 --> 01:08:47,609
and everything

1486
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:52,589
a submarine case back in 1971 mark I'd

1487
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,210
like for you to tell I don't think

1488
01:08:58,099 --> 01:08:56,400
precedents ever heard your story and the

1489
01:08:59,360 --> 01:08:58,109
listeners we have some people in the

1490
01:09:00,160 --> 01:08:59,370
chat room that are excited to hear about

1491
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:00,170
it

1492
01:09:04,189 --> 01:09:02,250
just one question I want to ask you

1493
01:09:06,610 --> 01:09:04,199
though mark was the particular sub that

1494
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:06,620
you were on was at a nuclear submarine

1495
01:09:12,379 --> 01:09:10,049
yes it was and I wasn't I was not a

1496
01:09:15,860 --> 01:09:12,389
sailor I was just to get because of the

1497
01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:15,870
work I do for the Navy um and you know

1498
01:09:22,099 --> 01:09:17,819
that work may come to a grinding halt I

1499
01:09:23,149 --> 01:09:22,109
mean you know but yeah I've had a number

1500
01:09:25,129 --> 01:09:23,159
of years with it anyway

1501
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:25,139
alright so I'm ok with it I just you

1502
01:09:29,959 --> 01:09:27,089
know there I just thought that it was a

1503
01:09:31,999 --> 01:09:29,969
really interesting experience because

1504
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:32,009
why should it happen to me you know

1505
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:34,409
going on a ride and as I thought about

1506
01:09:41,149 --> 01:09:37,440
it I felt well maybe what happened to me

1507
01:09:43,220 --> 01:09:41,159
is something that happens a lot that's

1508
01:09:44,959 --> 01:09:43,230
the only way I could I could actually

1509
01:09:48,110 --> 01:09:44,969
make this assumptions it happens a lot

1510
01:09:50,209 --> 01:09:48,120
and it's a double it's the story has two

1511
01:09:52,189 --> 01:09:50,219
sides to it because here's how it worked

1512
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:52,199
okay first I was invited to go for a

1513
01:09:56,660 --> 01:09:53,850
ride because of the some of the work I

1514
01:09:59,000 --> 01:09:56,670
did close to the Navy for a number of

1515
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:59,010
years so this do you want to go for ride

1516
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:02,400
in a nuclear sub yeah let's do you sure

1517
01:10:07,129 --> 01:10:05,250
you know of course where do I swear do I

1518
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:07,139
start and they like slow down it's gonna

1519
01:10:10,340 --> 01:10:09,210
be next month you know so I was already

1520
01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:10,350
heading for the door you know kind of

1521
01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:13,110
thing so they uh they set it up I went

1522
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:13,800
down and

1523
01:10:17,629 --> 01:10:16,050
aboard the sub I know an awful lot about

1524
01:10:19,580 --> 01:10:17,639
submarines that's that's kind of what my

1525
01:10:21,859 --> 01:10:19,590
businesses with a navy I actually own a

1526
01:10:24,169 --> 01:10:21,869
company that makes these very high-end

1527
01:10:27,020 --> 01:10:24,179
engineering models of submarine concepts

1528
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:27,030
that are far future so they're 30 years

1529
01:10:33,589 --> 01:10:30,239
out typically so I've made models that

1530
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:33,599
you know just look so outlandish that if

1531
01:10:37,069 --> 01:10:34,770
someone saw them today they would say

1532
01:10:39,799 --> 01:10:37,079
wow it's a spaceship wow it's an alien

1533
01:10:41,089 --> 01:10:39,809
craft you know in our seas and that's

1534
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:41,099
kind of what attracted me to the whole

1535
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:44,130
you know submarine industry and I've

1536
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:45,690
always been interested in unidentified

1537
01:10:50,450 --> 01:10:48,570
flying objects so not even thinking

1538
01:10:52,669 --> 01:10:50,460
anything about that I went on board the

1539
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:52,679
sub and I asked when we were gonna get

1540
01:10:56,330 --> 01:10:54,960
on their way and that was about a couple

1541
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:56,340
hours after word got through the

1542
01:10:59,899 --> 01:10:58,170
orientation and like you know we're told

1543
01:11:01,339 --> 01:10:59,909
you know they got a full tour we could

1544
01:11:02,510 --> 01:11:01,349
go anywhere we wanted on the boat even

1545
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:02,520
to the back end which I thought was

1546
01:11:07,129 --> 01:11:04,770
pretty interesting but no at the time

1547
01:11:09,530 --> 01:11:07,139
with my my clearance and so forth that

1548
01:11:12,919 --> 01:11:09,540
wasn't an issue I just had the heads

1549
01:11:14,330 --> 01:11:12,929
have someone with me so during that time

1550
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:14,340
I asked when we're gonna get on their

1551
01:11:16,540 --> 01:11:15,360
way and they said we've been underway

1552
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:16,550
for about two hours

1553
01:11:20,540 --> 01:11:18,690
alright and we didn't even know because

1554
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:20,550
we were actually going going through

1555
01:11:27,950 --> 01:11:24,210
relatively calm estuary type waters and

1556
01:11:29,390 --> 01:11:27,960
so but I realized what's we got out into

1557
01:11:30,830 --> 01:11:29,400
the open ocean okay

1558
01:11:33,169 --> 01:11:30,840
then the boat started rocking and

1559
01:11:34,399 --> 01:11:33,179
rolling and we're still on the surface

1560
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:34,409
because they traveled on the surface for

1561
01:11:38,419 --> 01:11:36,570
a long time before they go under they do

1562
01:11:39,649 --> 01:11:38,429
a survey of all the ships in the area

1563
01:11:42,859 --> 01:11:39,659
make sure there's nobody nearby and then

1564
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:42,869
they will dive okay well during that

1565
01:11:48,350 --> 01:11:45,570
time I got really badly seasick I didn't

1566
01:11:50,299 --> 01:11:48,360
ever throw up but you know as I tell

1567
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:50,309
people it was the best time I had being

1568
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:53,010
seasick if you could ever have a good

1569
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,570
time had it that was it you know that's

1570
01:12:01,760 --> 01:11:56,159
the way I want to do it again if I have

1571
01:12:04,549 --> 01:12:01,770
to so I went to it we have to see and I

1572
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:04,559
was sitting in the sonar area it's a

1573
01:12:08,089 --> 01:12:06,090
they called the sonar Shack it's

1574
01:12:09,620 --> 01:12:08,099
actually a little row of consoles just

1575
01:12:13,010 --> 01:12:09,630
to the right side of the control room

1576
01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:13,020
and it seemed from you know looking from

1577
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,940
back to forward and I was on the right

1578
01:12:21,649 --> 01:12:17,040
side and sitting at one of the consoles

1579
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:21,659
that apparently wasn't in use and I was

1580
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:23,040
sitting there trying to just zone out in

1581
01:12:27,169 --> 01:12:25,199
the in the semi-darkness there because

1582
01:12:30,649 --> 01:12:27,179
it was around a barrier wall

1583
01:12:33,260 --> 01:12:30,659
and I was really feeling like it was

1584
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:33,270
gonna get better and I was feeling I was

1585
01:12:37,370 --> 01:12:35,520
breathing and so forth and then I don't

1586
01:12:39,220 --> 01:12:37,380
know how much time passed but you know

1587
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:39,230
we were already out there for many hours

1588
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:42,090
and you know when the sub goes under

1589
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:44,489
okay and and this is the difference here

1590
01:12:49,370 --> 01:12:47,250
at some point when we submerged the

1591
01:12:52,220 --> 01:12:49,380
rockin and rollin from the surface just

1592
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:52,230
goes away it just goes away it feels

1593
01:12:57,410 --> 01:12:54,210
like you feel like right now sitting in

1594
01:12:58,820 --> 01:12:57,420
your rooms okay you don't feel anything

1595
01:13:02,839 --> 01:12:58,830
but you feel a vibration in your feet

1596
01:13:05,180 --> 01:13:02,849
because the sub is is noisy it's got

1597
01:13:07,129 --> 01:13:05,190
vibrations but the Navy prides itself on

1598
01:13:12,740 --> 01:13:07,139
those noises and vibrations not getting

1599
01:13:14,810 --> 01:13:12,750
out of the sub so as I'm sitting there

1600
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:14,820
and I'm almost I'm literally almost

1601
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:16,530
falling asleep and I'm thinking you know

1602
01:13:19,399 --> 01:13:18,210
what I can do that for a little while

1603
01:13:21,890 --> 01:13:19,409
I'll just take a little nap get rid of

1604
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,900
this seasickness for sure and then be

1605
01:13:25,399 --> 01:13:23,760
done with it and then as I'm sitting

1606
01:13:29,050 --> 01:13:25,409
there just zoning out all of a sudden

1607
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:29,060
the the kid at the sonar console console

1608
01:13:36,290 --> 01:13:32,880
you know announces Conn sonar Conn sonar

1609
01:13:39,020 --> 01:13:36,300
fast mover fast mover you know something

1610
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:39,030
to that effect and I jolt awake with an

1611
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,489
adrenaline rush and I'm thinking oh

1612
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:43,440
great I'm gonna get killed by a torpedo

1613
01:13:45,890 --> 01:13:44,610
out here it's supposed to be a pleasure

1614
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:45,900
cruise one day I'm gonna die out here

1615
01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:47,730
what do they even see us to this you

1616
01:13:52,700 --> 01:13:48,900
know let's go through all the reasons

1617
01:13:54,260 --> 01:13:52,710
why I should even be there when the the

1618
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:54,270
executive officer comes around and says

1619
01:13:59,629 --> 01:13:57,840
what do you have and the kids talk it

1620
01:14:00,830 --> 01:13:59,639
knows it says it's kind of noisy on the

1621
01:14:02,510 --> 01:14:00,840
sub I couldn't hear everything they were

1622
01:14:03,859 --> 01:14:02,520
saying and because all the seats are

1623
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:03,869
bolted down I had to kind of slide

1624
01:14:08,570 --> 01:14:06,810
forward on the on a seat cushion okay

1625
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:08,580
and can I just put the little corner of

1626
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:10,770
my book but on that seat so I was

1627
01:14:14,330 --> 01:14:12,210
literally trying to hold myself up with

1628
01:14:16,820 --> 01:14:14,340
my legs while leaning forward enough to

1629
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:16,830
kind of overhear the conversation which

1630
01:14:22,430 --> 01:14:18,320
is probably not a good idea

1631
01:14:24,740 --> 01:14:22,440
and as you'll see and so I said all

1632
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:24,750
right i sat there listen and he asked

1633
01:14:29,149 --> 01:14:26,250
for the the XO s for the course in

1634
01:14:30,859 --> 01:14:29,159
bearing and I couldn't hear that but

1635
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:30,869
then he said well wait how fast is that

1636
01:14:37,850 --> 01:14:34,800
going and and the kid kinda and he was a

1637
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:37,860
kid he looked at the screen and he he

1638
01:14:42,710 --> 01:14:41,010
said I and I thought he said

1639
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:42,720
he say he said several I know he said

1640
01:14:48,380 --> 01:14:46,080
several hundred knots he said it's going

1641
01:14:50,540 --> 01:14:48,390
several hundred knots and he was sort of

1642
01:14:54,050 --> 01:14:50,550
had this incredible iseverything like

1643
01:14:57,620 --> 01:14:54,060
that he didn't in the exo said to him

1644
01:14:59,210 --> 01:14:57,630
okay can you confirm it and didn't act

1645
01:15:00,200 --> 01:14:59,220
incredulous didn't go huh you know or

1646
01:15:02,270 --> 01:15:00,210
anything like that didn't ask for

1647
01:15:04,490 --> 01:15:02,280
anything other than confirmation and

1648
01:15:07,310 --> 01:15:04,500
that's when the kid said yeah I'll check

1649
01:15:07,820 --> 01:15:07,320
the other I can check the other sonar or

1650
01:15:09,470 --> 01:15:07,830
whatever

1651
01:15:11,690 --> 01:15:09,480
I can't member exactly how we said it

1652
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:11,700
and all of a sudden his face was in mind

1653
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:13,050
because remember I'm leaning forward now

1654
01:15:16,940 --> 01:15:14,970
and I'm a little diagonal off my seat

1655
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:16,950
trying to listen in and horn in on their

1656
01:15:21,710 --> 01:15:19,770
conversation and then suddenly got this

1657
01:15:23,060 --> 01:15:21,720
kid's face in mine he was oh sorry sorry

1658
01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:23,070
let me back up and they backed up and

1659
01:15:26,510 --> 01:15:24,780
just saw I'm sorry sir and he looks at

1660
01:15:28,940 --> 01:15:26,520
the screen I was sitting at which was

1661
01:15:31,010 --> 01:15:28,950
actually on okay and there was a

1662
01:15:33,260 --> 01:15:31,020
developing track there too and it was a

1663
01:15:34,340 --> 01:15:33,270
very faint lying and very faint track

1664
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:34,350
which I assume is what he was talking

1665
01:15:38,140 --> 01:15:36,330
about it was not there's nothing loud on

1666
01:15:41,090 --> 01:15:38,150
this owner was they're all very faint

1667
01:15:42,740 --> 01:15:41,100
very faint traces and he went back he

1668
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:42,750
says yeah it's it's on this one too it's

1669
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:44,210
over he said whatever he said that this

1670
01:15:50,030 --> 01:15:46,320
it's on this something or other you know

1671
01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:50,040
the know if he said t be 29 or some

1672
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:51,510
other 16 I don't know but it we

1673
01:15:57,890 --> 01:15:53,250
basically said it was on this one too

1674
01:15:59,150 --> 01:15:57,900
and the XO is looking at the kid and the

1675
01:16:01,100 --> 01:15:59,160
kid says what do I do

1676
01:16:02,300 --> 01:16:01,110
sir how do I handle this what do I do

1677
01:16:04,370 --> 01:16:02,310
because he had never done this before

1678
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:04,380
apparently for the kid in the executive

1679
01:16:10,220 --> 01:16:06,170
officer just looked at him and said okay

1680
01:16:12,290 --> 01:16:10,230
log it and dog it sir yes sir and XO

1681
01:16:15,170 --> 01:16:12,300
walked away kid did whatever he's doing

1682
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:15,180
and I got up and I followed the

1683
01:16:20,090 --> 01:16:18,090
executive officer out there okay you

1684
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:20,100
know hey look I'm invited I'm a special

1685
01:16:23,540 --> 01:16:21,570
guy man right I got all these special

1686
01:16:25,850 --> 01:16:23,550
privileges to on this subject me out a

1687
01:16:27,650 --> 01:16:25,860
bigwig walked up to the executive

1688
01:16:29,930 --> 01:16:27,660
officer and he said sir I know something

1689
01:16:31,850 --> 01:16:29,940
about these fast movers can I help you

1690
01:16:34,340 --> 01:16:31,860
in any way and he put his hand to my

1691
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:34,350
shoulder and said mr. Dantonio are you

1692
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:35,910
having a good ride yes sir I am

1693
01:16:41,690 --> 01:16:38,010
let's keep it that way and he turned and

1694
01:16:45,230 --> 01:16:41,700
walked away so much for my special

1695
01:16:46,610 --> 01:16:45,240
status right so that was kind of like my

1696
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:46,620
first introduction to that need-to-know

1697
01:16:53,780 --> 01:16:50,370
process you know because I thought I was

1698
01:16:55,850 --> 01:16:53,790
joking up until that point and

1699
01:16:59,780 --> 01:16:55,860
from then that point forward decades ago

1700
01:17:01,610 --> 01:16:59,790
I've never never you know let it go to

1701
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:01,620
my head let me tell you so anyway that

1702
01:17:07,790 --> 01:17:04,890
so that was the incident well what year

1703
01:17:09,380 --> 01:17:07,800
was this mark I can't tell you the year

1704
01:17:10,730 --> 01:17:09,390
because that that tells too much and

1705
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:10,740
I've never actually talked

1706
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:12,090
yeah I've talked to a number of people

1707
01:17:16,970 --> 01:17:13,410
about it you know especially down the

1708
01:17:19,550 --> 01:17:16,980
Navy and they'd rather I not say a thing

1709
01:17:20,780 --> 01:17:19,560
but okay there's this much of it yeah

1710
01:17:22,190 --> 01:17:20,790
this much of it doesn't get me in

1711
01:17:24,380 --> 01:17:22,200
trouble

1712
01:17:27,770 --> 01:17:24,390
you actually published I saw something

1713
01:17:31,940 --> 01:17:27,780
published and it's kind of circulated

1714
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:31,950
quite a bit a story with you right yeah

1715
01:17:36,590 --> 01:17:33,600
and it was only the thing means that

1716
01:17:37,730 --> 01:17:36,600
yeah I can tell and and the UK Sun

1717
01:17:40,670 --> 01:17:37,740
actually is the one that published it

1718
01:17:42,530 --> 01:17:40,680
and you know the UK Suns a bit of a

1719
01:17:44,350 --> 01:17:42,540
tabloid everybody knows that but they

1720
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:44,360
got this one right you know I asked the

1721
01:17:48,620 --> 01:17:47,250
reporter Emma Perry asked her you know

1722
01:17:50,210 --> 01:17:48,630
please don't publish this particular

1723
01:17:51,500 --> 01:17:50,220
information or this particular

1724
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:51,510
information because they told her a

1725
01:17:58,340 --> 01:17:55,050
little more and then you know nothing

1726
01:18:01,550 --> 01:17:58,350
classified obviously and but just

1727
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:01,560
information that that would allow you

1728
01:18:06,740 --> 01:18:04,770
know never dwells to you know take the

1729
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:06,750
story and and do other things with it

1730
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:10,410
that were unintended maybe but and she

1731
01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:11,850
said she wouldn't and I figured it

1732
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:13,110
alright well that's it she's probably

1733
01:18:17,180 --> 01:18:15,450
publish everything I said in more but

1734
01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:17,190
she didn't she to her credit she

1735
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:18,600
published only what I told her to

1736
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:20,250
publish I was very pleased to see that

1737
01:18:27,050 --> 01:18:22,890
and the story that she related exactly

1738
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:27,060
what I told her now it didn't end there

1739
01:18:31,850 --> 01:18:29,850
because see I continued to work for the

1740
01:18:34,970 --> 01:18:31,860
for the Navy and I had to do another job

1741
01:18:37,450 --> 01:18:34,980
for the Joint Chiefs okay they worked

1742
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:37,460
for the president the United States and

1743
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:40,530
one of the particular Joint Chiefs was a

1744
01:18:45,020 --> 01:18:42,330
friend of mine that I'm over time I

1745
01:18:46,610 --> 01:18:45,030
become friends with her and he asked me

1746
01:18:47,780 --> 01:18:46,620
for a project I did the project for him

1747
01:18:50,180 --> 01:18:47,790
and he said hey why'd you drive it down

1748
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:50,190
you know I live in Maryland here at the

1749
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:52,050
house it come down to the house hang out

1750
01:18:53,900 --> 01:18:53,130
for the afternoon with my wife we'll

1751
01:18:55,820 --> 01:18:53,910
just talking

1752
01:19:01,250 --> 01:18:55,830
oh yeah sure that'd be great so I went

1753
01:19:02,510 --> 01:19:01,260
down and when I when his wife was in the

1754
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:02,520
other room I leaned over to him and I

1755
01:19:07,550 --> 01:19:04,800
said you know what can you tell me about

1756
01:19:09,020 --> 01:19:07,560
the fast mover program cuz it

1757
01:19:11,060 --> 01:19:09,030
never left my mind hey you asked him

1758
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:11,070
yeah this is the guy he's like wait up

1759
01:19:15,290 --> 01:19:12,810
there I said what can you tell me about

1760
01:19:15,850 --> 01:19:15,300
the fast mover program now you know how

1761
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:15,860
it goes

1762
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:18,690
these guys could say and and probably

1763
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:20,250
should have said and could and may

1764
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:22,770
always have said but wait talking I

1765
01:19:27,470 --> 01:19:24,210
didn't know that I had no idea what that

1766
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:27,480
is and he didn't say that he leaned over

1767
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:29,370
to me he says uh I I can't talk about

1768
01:19:35,540 --> 01:19:33,330
that program Marc I'm sorry whoa I could

1769
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:35,550
I could have I practically did something

1770
01:19:40,100 --> 01:19:38,250
you know they're crazy at that point you

1771
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:40,110
know but I had to drive home with that

1772
01:19:44,570 --> 01:19:42,930
yeah you know uh really funny look at my

1773
01:19:46,820 --> 01:19:44,580
face I'll tell you because I was I

1774
01:19:48,980 --> 01:19:46,830
actually couldn't believe he said that

1775
01:19:52,100 --> 01:19:48,990
good in a sense he was saying nothing

1776
01:19:54,500 --> 01:19:52,110
but saying everything you know and I was

1777
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:54,510
just astonished by that and look I'm not

1778
01:19:58,460 --> 01:19:56,130
saying that it's it's extraterrestrial

1779
01:20:00,140 --> 01:19:58,470
in nature I'm just saying there is

1780
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:00,150
something going on that we don't

1781
01:20:05,900 --> 01:20:01,890
understand that the Navy is tracking I

1782
01:20:08,090 --> 01:20:05,910
know that I know that yeah no and when

1783
01:20:09,470 --> 01:20:08,100
Douglas Trumbull and I were tweeting a

1784
01:20:12,230 --> 01:20:09,480
bills you pataga units we're doing one

1785
01:20:13,460 --> 01:20:12,240
for land those are the automated UFO

1786
01:20:15,710 --> 01:20:13,470
detection systems that are gonna use

1787
01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:15,720
science you know to tell whether they're

1788
01:20:20,750 --> 01:20:18,450
here okay rather than I took a picture

1789
01:20:22,610 --> 01:20:20,760
or I got a video it's gonna use science

1790
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:22,620
and a bunch of multi-varied instruments

1791
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:24,000
that will tell us different data for the

1792
01:20:28,910 --> 01:20:26,970
same sighting but we also developed one

1793
01:20:31,070 --> 01:20:28,920
for going underwater all right and

1794
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:31,080
that's a uso detector and it doesn't

1795
01:20:36,140 --> 01:20:34,410
look up it looks it looks down down and

1796
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:36,150
we're trying to see if we can detect

1797
01:20:38,630 --> 01:20:36,930
something that way

1798
01:20:41,870 --> 01:20:38,640
well that caught the attention of the

1799
01:20:43,460 --> 01:20:41,880
DoD and you know we actually had some

1800
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:43,470
Defense folks call us and say hey yard

1801
01:20:45,860 --> 01:20:44,610
can we come up and meet with you and

1802
01:20:48,260 --> 01:20:45,870
want to talk to you about all these

1803
01:20:49,370 --> 01:20:48,270
projects you're doing and that hasn't

1804
01:20:51,470 --> 01:20:49,380
happened yet that meeting has not

1805
01:20:53,420 --> 01:20:51,480
happened we've been it's been put off

1806
01:20:55,340 --> 01:20:53,430
and put off and put off something

1807
01:20:57,260 --> 01:20:55,350
sometimes by us sometimes by them I'm

1808
01:20:59,270 --> 01:20:57,270
okay with that you know I don't I don't

1809
01:21:02,320 --> 01:20:59,280
you know it may be innocent but it may

1810
01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:02,330
not be but there it is that's the story

1811
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:06,510
you know I you know again I as a science

1812
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:07,650
guy these are the kinds of things that

1813
01:21:12,650 --> 01:21:10,410
you know I believe as most science folks

1814
01:21:13,940 --> 01:21:12,660
do that the universe is a populated

1815
01:21:15,860 --> 01:21:13,950
place you know it is you know that's

1816
01:21:18,140 --> 01:21:15,870
title my book the populated universe so

1817
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:18,150
I believe that they're here this story

1818
01:21:20,430 --> 01:21:19,290
is not in that book at all it has

1819
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:20,440
nothing to do with that but

1820
01:21:23,970 --> 01:21:22,090
it has to do with you know the

1821
01:21:25,979 --> 01:21:23,980
possibilities of life elsewhere around

1822
01:21:29,610 --> 01:21:25,989
exoplanets it's an exoplanet booked but

1823
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:29,620
anyway I think that I think that there's

1824
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:31,840
definitely something to this I don't

1825
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:35,410
know what those were what it is I mean

1826
01:21:39,930 --> 01:21:37,120
the thought of extraterrestrial life yes

1827
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:39,940
maybe but you also have to consider

1828
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:42,010
other things we don't know and and what

1829
01:21:46,620 --> 01:21:44,080
those things are I can't begin to tell

1830
01:21:48,930 --> 01:21:46,630
you though hey Preston do you have any

1831
01:21:51,330 --> 01:21:48,940
question - any questions for mark while

1832
01:21:55,620 --> 01:21:51,340
he's on you shaking his head a lot so I

1833
01:21:57,570 --> 01:21:55,630
think he just like what an idiot no it's

1834
01:22:00,660 --> 01:21:57,580
amazing to hear this stuff you mentioned

1835
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:00,670
log it and dog it what even by dog it

1836
01:22:08,100 --> 01:22:05,920
hide it bury it yeah yeah log in doggy

1837
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:08,110
never I've said often you know I didn't

1838
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:09,730
finish the sentence he said log it and

1839
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:12,850
dog it and I usually will maybe retell

1840
01:22:16,170 --> 01:22:14,560
it I say log it and target which I think

1841
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:16,180
means bury it I don't know that it means

1842
01:22:21,060 --> 01:22:18,400
it but that's that's doggy dog the hatch

1843
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:21,070
closed the hatch seal it in kind of

1844
01:22:26,100 --> 01:22:23,370
thing so I think he meant hide it um

1845
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:26,110
nothing Preston was saying earlier that

1846
01:22:31,890 --> 01:22:30,370
a number of people in the Navy or that

1847
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:31,900
have been on regular subs or regular

1848
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:35,170
ships have noticed nothing and until

1849
01:22:40,260 --> 01:22:37,210
they're on a nuclear ship which is

1850
01:22:43,380 --> 01:22:40,270
pretty strange I mean I'm wondering if

1851
01:22:45,930 --> 01:22:43,390
there's no reason for that yeah I think

1852
01:22:48,750 --> 01:22:45,940
there is actually and Preston may have

1853
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:48,760
plenty to say in that but just a my

1854
01:22:52,110 --> 01:22:50,650
personal feeling real quick I'll just

1855
01:22:56,430 --> 01:22:52,120
say and then Preston I don't want to

1856
01:22:59,010 --> 01:22:56,440
dominate your time sorry but my personal

1857
01:23:01,439 --> 01:22:59,020
feeling is we're on the surface of the

1858
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:01,449
water in droves but with tons and tons

1859
01:23:05,970 --> 01:23:03,250
of vehicles anyone watching the Earth

1860
01:23:07,530 --> 01:23:05,980
from space will notice that anyone who

1861
01:23:09,330 --> 01:23:07,540
has a capability to see where else we

1862
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:09,340
are like underwater would notice that

1863
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:10,930
there's an absolute dearth of human

1864
01:23:14,250 --> 01:23:11,890
presence underwater

1865
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:14,260
we don't have cities underwater we don't

1866
01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:16,930
have you know underwater habitats that

1867
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:19,510
are populated by lots of people you

1868
01:23:23,820 --> 01:23:21,280
don't have even research and habitats

1869
01:23:26,220 --> 01:23:23,830
underwater we only have a few submarines

1870
01:23:28,020 --> 01:23:26,230
from a few people in this planet and

1871
01:23:30,630 --> 01:23:28,030
they probably don't even differentiate

1872
01:23:32,490 --> 01:23:30,640
who's who you know what I mean and so

1873
01:23:34,199 --> 01:23:32,500
now we have a few submarines that's it

1874
01:23:36,330 --> 01:23:34,209
so they probably say hey

1875
01:23:38,069 --> 01:23:36,340
let's go hide out there if we're gonna

1876
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:38,079
hide let's hide in their water I mean I

1877
01:23:41,100 --> 01:23:39,760
would you just have to change the sign

1878
01:23:43,679 --> 01:23:41,110
on your pressure equation if you can go

1879
01:23:45,089 --> 01:23:43,689
you know interstellar well you know

1880
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:45,099
there's no reason in the world why you

1881
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:46,719
can't just you know keep the water out

1882
01:23:51,390 --> 01:23:49,209
and press outward rather than you know

1883
01:23:54,779 --> 01:23:51,400
keep the walls together and pull inward

1884
01:23:56,669 --> 01:23:54,789
you know you should probably a relative

1885
01:23:58,199 --> 01:23:56,679
change for your relative scientific

1886
01:24:02,609 --> 01:23:58,209
switch for you as an advanced

1887
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:02,619
civilization but I don't know what

1888
01:24:06,089 --> 01:24:04,449
Preston what do you think that makes

1889
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:06,099
perfect sense to me I have you know I

1890
01:24:09,899 --> 01:24:07,570
think the that's why they're underwater

1891
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:09,909
is because they can and we can't though

1892
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:12,610
I did hear back in the 1960s the Navy

1893
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:15,130
was looking into developing a flying

1894
01:24:21,959 --> 01:24:19,570
submarine yes don't know if they ever

1895
01:24:24,029 --> 01:24:21,969
got around to it yeah they did

1896
01:24:27,179 --> 01:24:24,039
actually and I worked in that project I

1897
01:24:29,129 --> 01:24:27,189
actually it was called the MP UAV at the

1898
01:24:30,689 --> 01:24:29,139
time and it was classified at first but

1899
01:24:32,609 --> 01:24:30,699
it's unclassified now which is why I can

1900
01:24:36,330 --> 01:24:32,619
talk about and it was a source of a lot

1901
01:24:38,459 --> 01:24:36,340
of UFO sightings it was a system that

1902
01:24:40,739 --> 01:24:38,469
would leave a mother submarine like an

1903
01:24:42,660 --> 01:24:40,749
ohio-class sub come out of the missile

1904
01:24:44,429 --> 01:24:42,670
tube unfold its wings come to the

1905
01:24:47,339 --> 01:24:44,439
surface take off from the water like an

1906
01:24:49,709 --> 01:24:47,349
aircraft go fly around through a recon

1907
01:24:50,250 --> 01:24:49,719
mission or an ordnance drop land back on

1908
01:24:53,009 --> 01:24:50,260
the water

1909
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:53,019
fold up its wings submerge go back into

1910
01:24:57,449 --> 01:24:55,570
the missile tube and go home and then

1911
01:25:00,060 --> 01:24:57,459
yeah it's like the flying sub from voice

1912
01:25:01,649 --> 01:25:00,070
of the bottom of the sea and we joked

1913
01:25:03,419 --> 01:25:01,659
about it being the flying sub you know

1914
01:25:05,399 --> 01:25:03,429
we used to call it a first one you know

1915
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:05,409
flying sub one but uh-huh

1916
01:25:09,890 --> 01:25:07,689
it turned out that and we also called it

1917
01:25:13,290 --> 01:25:09,900
the birdie as that was a codename and

1918
01:25:18,089 --> 01:25:13,300
when we built this thing and it turned

1919
01:25:21,540 --> 01:25:18,099
out that that was the flying sub I

1920
01:25:23,609 --> 01:25:21,550
believe of rumor and it was actually one

1921
01:25:25,879 --> 01:25:23,619
of those things which is uh basically

1922
01:25:28,319 --> 01:25:25,889
sort of one of the first drones actually

1923
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:28,329
because it was developed like ten years

1924
01:25:34,140 --> 01:25:31,209
ago actually maybe more I know they got

1925
01:25:35,719 --> 01:25:34,150
trains up military drones now that can

1926
01:25:38,729 --> 01:25:35,729
go in and out of the water

1927
01:25:41,009 --> 01:25:38,739
pretty well yeah and I'd worked on a

1928
01:25:44,459 --> 01:25:41,019
project where I had to develop drones

1929
01:25:47,690 --> 01:25:44,469
that would leave a sub and I called them

1930
01:25:49,820 --> 01:25:47,700
whiskers after Seaquest the

1931
01:25:51,410 --> 01:25:49,830
viii they had these little scanning

1932
01:25:53,660 --> 01:25:51,420
devices that would go with several

1933
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:53,670
kilometers out of way from the sub and

1934
01:25:58,190 --> 01:25:55,770
act like whiskers you know and since

1935
01:26:00,560 --> 01:25:58,200
anything it's out farther sit and wait

1936
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:00,570
for a while listen in and do a gauge of

1937
01:26:04,580 --> 01:26:03,120
the ocean and I thought those would be

1938
01:26:07,220 --> 01:26:04,590
really cool to have and then hosing for

1939
01:26:08,270 --> 01:26:07,230
me yeah we have them and you know

1940
01:26:09,860 --> 01:26:08,280
remember that mother you made of these

1941
01:26:11,450 --> 01:26:09,870
little things oh yeah oh yeah those were

1942
01:26:13,940 --> 01:26:11,460
them oh wow that's pretty cool I didn't

1943
01:26:15,830 --> 01:26:13,950
realize they already made those so we

1944
01:26:17,540 --> 01:26:15,840
are we're making way in the technology

1945
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:17,550
arena but underwater is very different

1946
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:19,530
you know different frequencies don't

1947
01:26:24,110 --> 01:26:21,090
travel well underwater and some do some

1948
01:26:26,420 --> 01:26:24,120
don't you know so you know getting the

1949
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:26,430
right frequency you know like is it's

1950
01:26:30,260 --> 01:26:27,840
crazy like the instrumentation to look

1951
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:30,270
down for a USO is not the same

1952
01:26:33,650 --> 01:26:31,920
instrumentation that looks up for a UFO

1953
01:26:34,910 --> 01:26:33,660
above ground above them the water you

1954
01:26:37,580 --> 01:26:34,920
know the this it's all different

1955
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:37,590
instrumentation you know because you

1956
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:38,970
don't have the transmissivity of light

1957
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:41,280
underwater like you do above so

1958
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:43,970
electromagnetic radiation is right out

1959
01:26:49,730 --> 01:26:46,410
but you can use certain high frequencies

1960
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:49,740
and low frequencies to actually do some

1961
01:26:54,050 --> 01:26:50,850
work and that's the kind of thing where

1962
01:26:55,730 --> 01:26:54,060
we're going you know I believe why well

1963
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:55,740
have you both on here there's a question

1964
01:27:01,310 --> 01:26:58,800
that came up in the chat room and this

1965
01:27:03,380 --> 01:27:01,320
person is wondering if they since we

1966
01:27:06,500 --> 01:27:03,390
have such incredible radar technology

1967
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:06,510
why can't we actually find us OHS under

1968
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:09,840
the oceans how hard is that I mean this

1969
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:11,370
is kind of what you're addressing anyway

1970
01:27:17,330 --> 01:27:12,930
right mark you're looking into doing

1971
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:17,340
something like that yeah I don't think

1972
01:27:21,490 --> 01:27:18,810
you see the radar is not gonna cut it

1973
01:27:23,330 --> 01:27:21,500
because what does Doppler radar show you

1974
01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:23,340
when you look at the weather radar

1975
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:24,450
what's that rate what's that Doppler

1976
01:27:29,930 --> 01:27:28,080
radar show you just shows your rain what

1977
01:27:31,730 --> 01:27:29,940
right it shows your rain

1978
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:31,740
Doppler radar shows your rain it shows

1979
01:27:35,630 --> 01:27:33,930
you the rain clouds right oh I see what

1980
01:27:37,970 --> 01:27:35,640
you're saying yeah so the radar is not

1981
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:37,980
gonna work in water

1982
01:27:43,820 --> 01:27:41,040
well sonar I guess so nerds what the

1983
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:43,830
person meant sonar yeah well sonar is

1984
01:27:52,130 --> 01:27:48,690
also fine you know but the the the issue

1985
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:52,140
is not that the sonar may not work it's

1986
01:27:54,820 --> 01:27:53,250
just that the sonar will immediately

1987
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:54,830
tell everybody else where you are

1988
01:27:58,520 --> 01:27:56,730
because everyone will know where you are

1989
01:28:00,830 --> 01:27:58,530
including the people you're trying to

1990
01:28:02,660 --> 01:28:00,840
ping you know and if it's at and some

1991
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:02,670
ship its gonna know and it's gonna do

1992
01:28:06,410 --> 01:28:04,290
whatever it can the hide maybe that's

1993
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:06,420
already being done I don't know well

1994
01:28:10,700 --> 01:28:07,770
that was it see what that sub for that

1995
01:28:13,940 --> 01:28:10,710
one time there was no active pinging

1996
01:28:16,220 --> 01:28:13,950
going on you know there was no active

1997
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:16,230
ping mm-hmm and then pings don't sound

1998
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:17,370
like they do in the movies no they don't

1999
01:28:22,220 --> 01:28:19,890
go like in the movies it's it's actually

2000
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:22,230
real and it's like a really warbly

2001
01:28:28,690 --> 01:28:26,250
high-pitched squeal in real life yeah

2002
01:28:32,660 --> 01:28:28,700
anyway yes so it's it's it's pretty uh

2003
01:28:34,190 --> 01:28:32,670
it's pretty cool but I don't yeah the

2004
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:34,200
problem is we don't have technology to

2005
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:35,970
actually detect things that are

2006
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:39,330
underwater very well our sonar is it's

2007
01:28:43,820 --> 01:28:42,330
not even it's great sonar okay but we

2008
01:28:46,940 --> 01:28:43,830
have to moving slow to get the best

2009
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:46,950
results and you know twist and turn a

2010
01:28:50,990 --> 01:28:49,050
little bit to kind of move that long

2011
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:51,000
array that's totally you're towing

2012
01:28:55,340 --> 01:28:53,040
behind the submarine to actually you

2013
01:28:57,530 --> 01:28:55,350
know get the best signal and you got to

2014
01:28:58,760 --> 01:28:57,540
be moving very slowly so you know that

2015
01:29:01,280 --> 01:28:58,770
doesn't give us a lot of coverage in the

2016
01:29:02,570 --> 01:29:01,290
oceans you know yeah we need a satellite

2017
01:29:04,340 --> 01:29:02,580
they can look you know that's the thing

2018
01:29:06,530 --> 01:29:04,350
and there's no way to do sonar from a

2019
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:06,540
satellite obviously and radars not gonna

2020
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:09,450
do it so yeah we got a wait we got a

2021
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:11,850
sticky wicket here you might say so this

2022
01:29:17,570 --> 01:29:14,610
there's a lot a lot of a lot of concerns

2023
01:29:20,990 --> 01:29:17,580
that way in my view I think probably the

2024
01:29:23,660 --> 01:29:21,000
technology could be there if a satellite

2025
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:23,670
if someone would fund a satellite to

2026
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:27,360
just look you know in the oceans through

2027
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:31,050
some type of method to see you know

2028
01:29:35,090 --> 01:29:33,410
what's going on you know I'm sure some

2029
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:35,100
technology will come along eventually

2030
01:29:39,470 --> 01:29:37,650
but who would fund something like that

2031
01:29:42,770 --> 01:29:39,480
you know that would be the thing well

2032
01:29:44,570 --> 01:29:42,780
only a black project somewhere in one of

2033
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:44,580
the government's like Chinese Russian us

2034
01:29:48,110 --> 01:29:46,290
right Preston you and you would you

2035
01:29:49,670 --> 01:29:48,120
probably have an opinion of that right

2036
01:29:51,950 --> 01:29:49,680
well I know the Navy is well aware of

2037
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:51,960
this stuff interestingly the Navy's been

2038
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:54,210
doing a bunch of sonar research right in

2039
01:29:57,800 --> 01:29:56,970
this Southern California area to the

2040
01:30:01,880 --> 01:29:57,810
point where they were sued by

2041
01:30:05,390 --> 01:30:01,890
environmental groups of the whale whale

2042
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:05,400
injuries right right and yeah a judge

2043
01:30:08,690 --> 01:30:06,810
ruled no the Navy's allowed to do what

2044
01:30:10,010 --> 01:30:08,700
they want the environmental groups kept

2045
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:10,020
pushing and they finally reached an

2046
01:30:14,239 --> 01:30:13,290
agreement to limit the testing in this

2047
01:30:16,700 --> 01:30:14,249
area but

2048
01:30:19,129 --> 01:30:16,710
it's pretty clear that the Navy is fully

2049
01:30:21,770 --> 01:30:19,139
aware of what's going on and that most

2050
01:30:24,049 --> 01:30:21,780
these sightings aren't being officially

2051
01:30:26,779 --> 01:30:24,059
logged into the log book at least when I

2052
01:30:29,149 --> 01:30:26,789
interviewed ray sacks he was never told

2053
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:29,159
he couldn't talk about this but after

2054
01:30:33,049 --> 01:30:31,050
they had his sighting the

2055
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:33,059
second-in-command turns them says stop

2056
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:34,650
talking about this don't talk about this

2057
01:30:39,979 --> 01:30:38,010
he turns to the captain and says sir how

2058
01:30:41,839 --> 01:30:39,989
do I report this in the log and the

2059
01:30:43,939 --> 01:30:41,849
captain turns to him and says people who

2060
01:30:47,509 --> 01:30:43,949
report this sort of thing don't move up

2061
01:30:49,549 --> 01:30:47,519
in rank haha so they didn't report it at

2062
01:30:52,069 --> 01:30:49,559
all and when Ray Sachs went down below

2063
01:30:54,319 --> 01:30:52,079
of course he told everybody yeah because

2064
01:30:55,729 --> 01:30:54,329
they already knew it was a big huge buzz

2065
01:30:57,459 --> 01:30:55,739
aboard the submarine and everyone wanted

2066
01:31:00,290 --> 01:30:57,469
to know yeah you bet you it would be

2067
01:31:02,180 --> 01:31:00,300
right so yeah I'm sure they're fully

2068
01:31:07,370 --> 01:31:02,190
aware of it and are trying to deal with

2069
01:31:09,259 --> 01:31:07,380
it as best as they can so mark yeah I'll

2070
01:31:11,569 --> 01:31:09,269
press Denis right I really do believe

2071
01:31:13,609 --> 01:31:11,579
that there is a fast mover program okay

2072
01:31:15,830 --> 01:31:13,619
based on my discussion with one of the

2073
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:15,840
Joint Chiefs and seeing this thing on

2074
01:31:19,580 --> 01:31:18,570
the sub I didn't ask to see this in fact

2075
01:31:23,390 --> 01:31:19,590
I haven't talked about it for decades

2076
01:31:26,689 --> 01:31:23,400
because I basically really was kind of

2077
01:31:29,719 --> 01:31:26,699
afraid to but there came a point where I

2078
01:31:32,299 --> 01:31:29,729
felt that technology has moved along

2079
01:31:33,950 --> 01:31:32,309
enough but more importantly the Russians

2080
01:31:35,540 --> 01:31:33,960
have already come out and talked all

2081
01:31:37,939 --> 01:31:35,550
about the USO is that they're

2082
01:31:39,859 --> 01:31:37,949
encountering it their Navy has seen so

2083
01:31:41,540 --> 01:31:39,869
that was sort of like a signal which

2084
01:31:44,660 --> 01:31:41,550
says okay you know what if they're

2085
01:31:47,390 --> 01:31:44,670
talking about it then I feel more

2086
01:31:48,709 --> 01:31:47,400
confident that I can talk about it and

2087
01:31:50,750 --> 01:31:48,719
that was it I was just being I was just

2088
01:31:52,879 --> 01:31:50,760
chicken you know I didn't want to mess

2089
01:31:54,259 --> 01:31:52,889
with that you know but but if the

2090
01:31:56,629 --> 01:31:54,269
Russians are talking about it I can talk

2091
01:31:58,819 --> 01:31:56,639
about it that's all I looked at so

2092
01:32:00,859 --> 01:31:58,829
Marshall show you want to go announce

2093
01:32:03,469 --> 01:32:00,869
when your show is how people can watch

2094
01:32:05,859 --> 01:32:03,479
that on Sundays oh yeah sure Thank You

2095
01:32:09,919 --> 01:32:05,869
Martin oh it's a it's sky to a radio and

2096
01:32:11,930 --> 01:32:09,929
it's basically it's we learn about the

2097
01:32:13,759 --> 01:32:11,940
universe with the scientific lens and I

2098
01:32:16,189 --> 01:32:13,769
actually take people on it's a one-hour

2099
01:32:19,790 --> 01:32:16,199
show right now we're we're talking about

2100
01:32:23,719 --> 01:32:19,800
going the to and basically the the show

2101
01:32:24,830 --> 01:32:23,729
is called sky tour radio and I'm

2102
01:32:26,989 --> 01:32:24,840
actually talking to you from inside the

2103
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:26,999
observatory which is the sky to our

2104
01:32:29,660 --> 01:32:28,110
livestream observe

2105
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:29,670
which is the YouTube channel it's the

2106
01:32:34,970 --> 01:32:32,730
companion Observatory to the show and so

2107
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:34,980
you know in Skye to a radio we deal with

2108
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:37,290
astronomical objects we talk about

2109
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:39,890
exoplanets and alien life possibilities

2110
01:32:46,130 --> 01:32:42,930
and I do so I do things you know in that

2111
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:46,140
show a little bit differently I think I

2112
01:32:50,330 --> 01:32:48,210
mean as a science guy you know we're not

2113
01:32:53,270 --> 01:32:50,340
supposed to speculate on alien life and

2114
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:53,280
so forth but I don't know I've seen some

2115
01:32:56,990 --> 01:32:54,690
things that I can't explain and I'm

2116
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:57,000
willing to say that I mean why can't you

2117
01:32:59,000 --> 01:32:58,320
just say look I don't understand I saw

2118
01:33:01,070 --> 01:32:59,010
something weird

2119
01:33:03,230 --> 01:33:01,080
you know you want to chastise me for it

2120
01:33:04,850 --> 01:33:03,240
fine I'm not a I'm not teaching in a

2121
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:04,860
college okay or anything like that so

2122
01:33:09,500 --> 01:33:07,290
yeah I have no tenure or to worry about

2123
01:33:12,020 --> 01:33:09,510
I own my own company so what do you do

2124
01:33:14,690 --> 01:33:12,030
you know you're gonna get me fired I'd

2125
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:14,700
have to be the one to fire me you know

2126
01:33:19,490 --> 01:33:17,040
so I'm okay with that so uh so I feel

2127
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:19,500
like I'm in a position where I can talk

2128
01:33:24,650 --> 01:33:22,170
about and and and say these things and I

2129
01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:24,660
speculate because I think we need to

2130
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:26,930
speculate to get the conversation going

2131
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:30,960
right when and where when and where can

2132
01:33:36,170 --> 01:33:32,610
someone see your show or listen to your

2133
01:33:40,850 --> 01:33:36,180
show it's a Sunday nights at 9:00 p.m.

2134
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:40,860
Eastern Time on kgr a radio KGA radio

2135
01:33:45,710 --> 01:33:44,010
calm great alright hey Mark thanks so

2136
01:33:48,500 --> 01:33:45,720
much thanks for calling in and sharing

2137
01:33:50,030 --> 01:33:48,510
that great story I love it sure great to

2138
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:50,040
talk to you press and I've been looking

2139
01:33:52,820 --> 01:33:51,210
forward to meeting you at some point and

2140
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:52,830
Lisa here it's it's a one way video I

2141
01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:54,930
see you but you can't see me because the

2142
01:34:02,390 --> 01:33:57,360
observatory's dark no way to turn it on

2143
01:34:03,710 --> 01:34:02,400
the camera all right take care thanks a

2144
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:03,720
lot Martin all right thanks

2145
01:34:08,750 --> 01:34:06,570
so Willie we still have the lines open

2146
01:34:11,630 --> 01:34:08,760
the call-in number is up on this screen

2147
01:34:13,970 --> 01:34:11,640
we had someone call in while we lost you

2148
01:34:15,740 --> 01:34:13,980
Preston I didn't quite get his question

2149
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:15,750
his name was Michael Michael if you want

2150
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:18,890
to call back in go right ahead and and

2151
01:34:24,890 --> 01:34:21,840
give us a call again the numbers up in

2152
01:34:27,740 --> 01:34:24,900
the screen so interesting the submarine

2153
01:34:32,180 --> 01:34:27,750
sightings are there other ones that

2154
01:34:34,610 --> 01:34:32,190
you're aware of honest in' yeah there

2155
01:34:38,300 --> 01:34:34,620
are a few which i talked about in the

2156
01:34:41,810 --> 01:34:38,310
book i did talk to a submarine navigator

2157
01:34:44,750 --> 01:34:41,820
who was on a boat actually convoying

2158
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:44,760
our convoy with two boats he was in the

2159
01:34:50,900 --> 01:34:48,570
boat on the he was following another

2160
01:34:55,010 --> 01:34:50,910
boat and they went up the coast and had

2161
01:34:57,380 --> 01:34:55,020
a really remarkable USO sighting just

2162
01:34:59,870 --> 01:34:57,390
sort of the northern end in the San

2163
01:35:02,720 --> 01:34:59,880
Simeon area more almost no central

2164
01:35:06,350 --> 01:35:02,730
California no the northern edge of this

2165
01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:06,360
whole complex but uh their sighting was

2166
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:07,920
really interesting because they're going

2167
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:09,810
along right at the coast when suddenly

2168
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:13,890
it's at night they see this object in

2169
01:35:18,380 --> 01:35:16,320
the water right on the coast in an area

2170
01:35:20,810 --> 01:35:18,390
where it couldn't be because there's

2171
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:20,820
it's very shallow there there's lots of

2172
01:35:25,490 --> 01:35:23,520
rocks it's off-limits to ships because

2173
01:35:28,580 --> 01:35:25,500
it's too dangerous and yet here's this

2174
01:35:31,850 --> 01:35:28,590
very very large it's not a ship it's a

2175
01:35:33,290 --> 01:35:31,860
lighted object of some kind and they're

2176
01:35:35,150 --> 01:35:33,300
looking at it trying to figure out what

2177
01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:35,160
could this possibly be in what is it

2178
01:35:40,940 --> 01:35:38,000
doing there when suddenly their own

2179
01:35:42,380 --> 01:35:40,950
electronics start to malfunction they

2180
01:35:45,020 --> 01:35:42,390
knew exactly where they were they had a

2181
01:35:47,630 --> 01:35:45,030
global positioning finder very

2182
01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:47,640
experienced sailors had navigated to

2183
01:35:52,130 --> 01:35:50,400
submarine thousands of miles so they

2184
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:52,140
knew what they were doing and suddenly

2185
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:53,850
their depth finder it's showing that

2186
01:35:58,340 --> 01:35:55,290
they're in ten feet of water

2187
01:36:01,610 --> 01:35:58,350
they knew they weren't so the very very

2188
01:36:04,820 --> 01:36:01,620
disoriented well oh my god I think this

2189
01:36:07,340 --> 01:36:04,830
was caused by the USO to get them out of

2190
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:07,350
that area or something because that's

2191
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:08,970
exactly what they did which they pretty

2192
01:36:12,830 --> 01:36:10,560
much had to do because you know they

2193
01:36:16,340 --> 01:36:12,840
can't crash so they turn off to the left

2194
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:16,350
towards the deeper water and go just a

2195
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:18,210
little bit when suddenly something they

2196
01:36:24,170 --> 01:36:22,050
can't explain happens the USO is no

2197
01:36:27,050 --> 01:36:24,180
longer on the coast it's right in front

2198
01:36:28,850 --> 01:36:27,060
of their ship and it's coming closer so

2199
01:36:30,590 --> 01:36:28,860
they stop and they're wondering what to

2200
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:30,600
do you know this thing is looks like

2201
01:36:36,110 --> 01:36:33,890
it's gonna collide with them there's no

2202
01:36:37,790 --> 01:36:36,120
standard navigation lights you know

2203
01:36:40,550 --> 01:36:37,800
showing which side the ship is going to

2204
01:36:42,890 --> 01:36:40,560
pass on it didn't look anything like

2205
01:36:45,229 --> 01:36:42,900
they'd ever seen and finally it comes

2206
01:36:48,890 --> 01:36:45,239
and passes on the report on their left

2207
01:36:51,709 --> 01:36:48,900
side and about a half mile away maybe

2208
01:36:53,209 --> 01:36:51,719
which at sea is very close and he said

2209
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:53,219
they couldn't really tell anything and

2210
01:36:55,550 --> 01:36:54,480
about what it was because it was too

2211
01:36:57,620 --> 01:36:55,560
darn bright and

2212
01:37:00,650 --> 01:36:57,630
got past them and they could see it

2213
01:37:02,060 --> 01:37:00,660
looked like banks of stadium lights this

2214
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:02,070
is a description I've heard a number of

2215
01:37:08,060 --> 01:37:06,090
times well and it stopped and kind of

2216
01:37:09,740 --> 01:37:08,070
just stood there and looked at them

2217
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:09,750
completely freaking them out because

2218
01:37:13,550 --> 01:37:11,010
they weren't moving at this point either

2219
01:37:15,740 --> 01:37:13,560
and they had a little bit of a standoff

2220
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:15,750
there for a few minutes until they just

2221
01:37:20,420 --> 01:37:18,000
became too nervous and decided they're

2222
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:20,430
leaving I'm wondering if they had

2223
01:37:24,290 --> 01:37:21,690
missing time or something because

2224
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:24,300
suddenly this USO is on the coast and

2225
01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:26,370
then it's right in front of them that's

2226
01:37:31,430 --> 01:37:28,560
sort of a red flag I look for they

2227
01:37:33,290 --> 01:37:31,440
denied it I felt like they did not have

2228
01:37:36,290 --> 01:37:33,300
missing time but I think it's still a

2229
01:37:39,050 --> 01:37:36,300
possibility they had no history of UFO

2230
01:37:42,140 --> 01:37:39,060
sightings or you know in their childhood

2231
01:37:45,770 --> 01:37:42,150
or anything like this so it's an open

2232
01:37:47,690 --> 01:37:45,780
question but great witnesses and I mean

2233
01:37:50,330 --> 01:37:47,700
when you got these military guys telling

2234
01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:50,340
you we can't explain it and they're

2235
01:37:55,250 --> 01:37:52,490
already familiar with this advanced

2236
01:37:57,650 --> 01:37:55,260
aircraft and submarines for that matter

2237
01:37:58,900 --> 01:37:57,660
like Marc well you know you've got

2238
01:38:02,840 --> 01:37:58,910
something on your hands that is

2239
01:38:06,290 --> 01:38:02,850
unexplained are there any of videos or

2240
01:38:07,790 --> 01:38:06,300
pictures of us hos that you're aware

2241
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:07,800
that they're wrong aasif right

2242
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:11,010
surprisingly you know da number of

2243
01:38:14,270 --> 01:38:12,090
people who've been able to take

2244
01:38:16,910 --> 01:38:14,280
photographs of this as far as videos

2245
01:38:19,550 --> 01:38:16,920
that's much rarer there was a very

2246
01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:19,560
famous video which played on a Brandon

2247
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:23,040
chases documentary UFOs are real in

2248
01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:25,850
which a pilot a helicopter Navy pilot

2249
01:38:33,260 --> 01:38:28,880
Leland Henson I believe was his name

2250
01:38:36,290 --> 01:38:33,270
photograph or filmed a UFO over Catalina

2251
01:38:37,670 --> 01:38:36,300
Island it was never debunked they never

2252
01:38:39,110 --> 01:38:37,680
could figure out what it was

2253
01:38:41,480 --> 01:38:39,120
they tried to debunk it saying it was a

2254
01:38:43,910 --> 01:38:41,490
plane but there was no planes in that

2255
01:38:46,730 --> 01:38:43,920
area that were known and for that matter

2256
01:38:48,590 --> 01:38:46,740
when they all first saw it these Navy

2257
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:48,600
guys it wasn't just the one guy they all

2258
01:38:53,180 --> 01:38:51,210
saw it it was hovering in place it

2259
01:38:54,590 --> 01:38:53,190
wasn't moving and when they finally got

2260
01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:54,600
the camera off this thing was kind of

2261
01:39:02,480 --> 01:38:58,080
moving at a leisurely pace over the

2262
01:39:04,100 --> 01:39:02,490
island is this the one back in 66 yeah

2263
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:04,110
that could be it you know I'd have to

2264
01:39:09,530 --> 01:39:06,090
look up the exact it sounds about right

2265
01:39:11,540 --> 01:39:09,540
yeah it was a it's a video

2266
01:39:14,420 --> 01:39:11,550
I don't know I think it's only about 11

2267
01:39:17,300 --> 01:39:14,430
seconds long something like that back in

2268
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:17,310
1966 and it shows like the amount and I

2269
01:39:26,380 --> 01:39:22,410
think we can pull it up on on YouTube

2270
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,390
yeah 1966 that's when it was in April so

2271
01:39:29,900 --> 01:39:28,560
that one did that one actually have

2272
01:39:33,050 --> 01:39:29,910
anything to do with the water was that

2273
01:39:34,850 --> 01:39:33,060
just in Catalina that was just your

2274
01:39:37,250 --> 01:39:34,860
standard UFO but it's right over this

2275
01:39:40,490 --> 01:39:37,260
area huh so you can't really separate it

2276
01:39:42,010 --> 01:39:40,500
from the whole usl phenomena because I

2277
01:39:44,630 --> 01:39:42,020
mean they're obviously the same thing

2278
01:39:46,610 --> 01:39:44,640
but one thing I do I do want to get into

2279
01:39:48,740 --> 01:39:46,620
real quick because I know we're quickly

2280
01:39:51,260 --> 01:39:48,750
running out of time as another data

2281
01:39:53,780 --> 01:39:51,270
point as to why I think there's a base

2282
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:53,790
here and that there's four or five

2283
01:39:59,540 --> 01:39:56,810
encounters in this area involving not

2284
01:40:02,150 --> 01:39:59,550
one or two objects not three or four or

2285
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:02,160
ten or twenty even I am talking over a

2286
01:40:07,730 --> 01:40:05,610
hundred Wow a huge number of objects

2287
01:40:10,250 --> 01:40:07,740
there was one sighting a wave of

2288
01:40:12,980 --> 01:40:10,260
sightings on June 14th 1992

2289
01:40:15,650 --> 01:40:12,990
I've interviewed up dozens and dozens of

2290
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:15,660
people who were saw UFOs on that night

2291
01:40:22,670 --> 01:40:20,250
and some who saw us OHS and one couple

2292
01:40:24,980 --> 01:40:22,680
who lived very high in the area which

2293
01:40:26,270 --> 01:40:24,990
overlooks the ocean they started

2294
01:40:29,180 --> 01:40:26,280
counting these objects because they were

2295
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:29,190
coming up from below not from above from

2296
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:31,520
below behind a ridge down by the ocean

2297
01:40:36,590 --> 01:40:34,110
they counted first ten and then twenty

2298
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:36,600
little groups of objects coming up this

2299
01:40:42,290 --> 01:40:38,880
went on for two hours they counted about

2300
01:40:44,060 --> 01:40:42,300
200 objects so where are all these

2301
01:40:46,190 --> 01:40:44,070
objects coming from and they're coming

2302
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:46,200
from below you know there's another case

2303
01:40:50,450 --> 01:40:47,760
just like that in Catalina Island

2304
01:40:52,100 --> 01:40:50,460
another case involving twenty or thirty

2305
01:40:55,970 --> 01:40:52,110
objects two years later which were

2306
01:40:59,510 --> 01:40:55,980
actually photographed by the witness

2307
01:41:01,610 --> 01:40:59,520
so this is another thing that's really

2308
01:41:03,470 --> 01:41:01,620
got me scratching my head if there's not

2309
01:41:06,140 --> 01:41:03,480
a base down there there is a parking lot

2310
01:41:08,270 --> 01:41:06,150
involving hundreds of these objects now

2311
01:41:12,590 --> 01:41:08,280
with these objects all looking the same

2312
01:41:15,050 --> 01:41:12,600
or they were they different and this the

2313
01:41:18,590 --> 01:41:15,060
same in that case no they were all these

2314
01:41:21,810 --> 01:41:18,600
kind of a half disk kind of not quite a

2315
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:21,820
disk but sort of a half disk shape

2316
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:23,440
but in another case which took place on

2317
01:41:27,390 --> 01:41:25,810
the north end of Catalina Island they

2318
01:41:29,310 --> 01:41:27,400
were all different shapes they were

2319
01:41:32,220 --> 01:41:29,320
saucer shaped they were Mantaray shaped

2320
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:32,230
spherical they had colored lights on him

2321
01:41:37,260 --> 01:41:34,810
purple green yellow orange really

2322
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:37,270
beautiful they tried to take photographs

2323
01:41:42,210 --> 01:41:39,930
of them but the multiple cameras failed

2324
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:42,220
that's taking place in a number of cases

2325
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:44,290
in this area and for that matter across

2326
01:41:49,110 --> 01:41:46,930
the world they can exert a force field

2327
01:41:51,390 --> 01:41:49,120
or something I think there is something

2328
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:51,400
strange a lot of people do talk about

2329
01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:55,810
electronics and cameras you know all

2330
01:41:59,580 --> 01:41:57,520
over the place I've heard many many many

2331
01:42:02,400 --> 01:41:59,590
stories where a full fully charged

2332
01:42:05,220 --> 01:42:02,410
battery all of a sudden is dead or ripe

2333
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:05,230
just not operating which really is no

2334
01:42:10,710 --> 01:42:08,320
coincidence yeah I have a question for

2335
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:10,720
you how do you and by the way we have a

2336
01:42:15,180 --> 01:42:13,690
we have about less than 20 minutes if

2337
01:42:18,930 --> 01:42:15,190
anyone wants to call in that number is

2338
01:42:21,210 --> 01:42:18,940
up on the screen how do you get all

2339
01:42:23,220 --> 01:42:21,220
these people to interview it sounds like

2340
01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:23,230
you interview a lot of people and do

2341
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:25,840
they actually contact you or how do you

2342
01:42:30,270 --> 01:42:28,690
how does that happen well you know I

2343
01:42:32,130 --> 01:42:30,280
started out slowly I wasn't really

2344
01:42:33,690 --> 01:42:32,140
looking to investigate you SOS in

2345
01:42:36,510 --> 01:42:33,700
particular but I was collecting accounts

2346
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:36,520
I wrote a chapter in my book UFOs over

2347
01:42:41,250 --> 01:42:39,010
California specifically about these

2348
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:41,260
accounts and to publicize the book I

2349
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:45,010
wrote an article for fate magazine you

2350
01:42:48,180 --> 01:42:46,690
know it's receiving more reports and

2351
01:42:53,340 --> 01:42:48,190
this is when I really sort of came into

2352
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,350
this UFO undersea base and I wrote it up

2353
01:42:57,090 --> 01:42:55,360
from fate magazine and said is there an

2354
01:42:59,190 --> 01:42:57,100
undersea UFO base off the Southern

2355
01:43:01,860 --> 01:42:59,200
California coast it was a very popular

2356
01:43:04,710 --> 01:43:01,870
article it went viral got me interviewed

2357
01:43:07,050 --> 01:43:04,720
by newspapers and I started speaking of

2358
01:43:09,630 --> 01:43:07,060
conventions this brought in a lot of

2359
01:43:12,440 --> 01:43:09,640
reports and I was actually contacted by

2360
01:43:15,030 --> 01:43:12,450
The History Channel for deep sea UFOs

2361
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:15,040
and it was very popular

2362
01:43:21,060 --> 01:43:16,960
they had record ratings with that

2363
01:43:23,370 --> 01:43:21,070
episode so they called me back twice

2364
01:43:26,700 --> 01:43:23,380
actually I did another episode with UFO

2365
01:43:30,270 --> 01:43:26,710
hunters and so by that time I had become

2366
01:43:31,860 --> 01:43:30,280
the guy and I was receiving a lot of

2367
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:31,870
reports and it's just never stopped

2368
01:43:35,580 --> 01:43:34,210
since then so yeah a lot of people have

2369
01:43:37,589 --> 01:43:35,590
been contacting me

2370
01:43:40,500 --> 01:43:37,599
just a real quick jaga you mentioned

2371
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:40,510
earlier about everyone at work looked to

2372
01:43:45,660 --> 01:43:43,330
you about this when I think you said

2373
01:43:48,570 --> 01:43:45,670
your boss was going to Catalina UFO

2374
01:43:51,359 --> 01:43:48,580
tours or something but so how does that

2375
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:51,369
work for you in the workplace do you

2376
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:53,440
have any grief at all or is it well

2377
01:43:59,310 --> 01:43:57,040
accepted it's pretty surprising ly well

2378
01:44:00,990 --> 01:43:59,320
accepted and has always been I've been

2379
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:01,000
very lucky I've had a you know a number

2380
01:44:05,959 --> 01:44:03,730
of bosses throughout the years and gosh

2381
01:44:08,129 --> 01:44:05,969
a revolving door of co-workers and

2382
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:08,139
everyone's been great you know some

2383
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:09,520
people don't believe and you know I can

2384
01:44:14,850 --> 01:44:12,400
clear a room certainly if I try and

2385
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:14,860
bring this up but a lot of these people

2386
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:16,570
will come to me privately and say oh my

2387
01:44:20,609 --> 01:44:18,880
gosh you know I saw something and I've

2388
01:44:22,050 --> 01:44:20,619
become something of a local Clearing

2389
01:44:23,580 --> 01:44:22,060
House and whenever there's a new

2390
01:44:26,030 --> 01:44:23,590
employee they bring me in like here's

2391
01:44:29,910 --> 01:44:26,040
Preston you ever seen a UFO talk to him

2392
01:44:32,370 --> 01:44:29,920
so yeah people are fine with it I think

2393
01:44:34,379 --> 01:44:32,380
we've reached a point now I'm certainly

2394
01:44:37,770 --> 01:44:34,389
back when I started researching the 80s

2395
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:37,780
and 90s it wasn't as well as accepted as

2396
01:44:43,770 --> 01:44:40,690
it is now but now people are like yeah

2397
01:44:46,620 --> 01:44:43,780
sure they'll know about it we have a

2398
01:44:51,060 --> 01:44:46,630
call coming in I'm gonna take it so hang

2399
01:44:52,770 --> 01:44:51,070
on just a minute caller you are on the

2400
01:44:54,050 --> 01:44:52,780
line what what's your first name and

2401
01:44:57,300 --> 01:44:54,060
where are you calling from

2402
01:44:59,220 --> 01:44:57,310
hi Martin this is Andy from Stratford

2403
01:45:02,370 --> 01:44:59,230
Connecticut how you doing hi Andy

2404
01:45:05,070 --> 01:45:02,380
welcome to the show you have a you have

2405
01:45:07,979 --> 01:45:05,080
a question for our guest yeah just a

2406
01:45:11,459 --> 01:45:07,989
quick question for Preston I'm

2407
01:45:14,669 --> 01:45:11,469
fascinated with the idea of hardhat

2408
01:45:17,220 --> 01:45:14,679
divers or saturation divers possibly

2409
01:45:20,189 --> 01:45:17,230
having some strange stories to tell

2410
01:45:24,450 --> 01:45:20,199
themselves does he know of any from oil

2411
01:45:28,350 --> 01:45:24,460
oil rig or pipeline work you know in his

2412
01:45:31,890 --> 01:45:28,360
experience and and then just I had one

2413
01:45:35,459 --> 01:45:31,900
that I had heard through another show

2414
01:45:40,129 --> 01:45:35,469
beyond creepy covered a story where the

2415
01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:40,139
son of a hardhat diver from Norway

2416
01:45:48,330 --> 01:45:44,320
observed some kind of bizarre tracks on

2417
01:45:49,439 --> 01:45:48,340
the the sea floor in a feud he was with

2418
01:45:51,780 --> 01:45:49,449
another diver

2419
01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:51,790
and they followed it as far as they

2420
01:45:58,530 --> 01:45:55,360
possibly could and gave up and the guy

2421
01:46:00,780 --> 01:45:58,540
was traumatized by what he saw and was

2422
01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:00,790
told never to discuss it again by his uh

2423
01:46:06,419 --> 01:46:04,210
his superiors but I'll take your call

2424
01:46:08,700 --> 01:46:06,429
your answer off the air I didn't know if

2425
01:46:09,390 --> 01:46:08,710
you had any stories yourself thank

2426
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:09,400
thanks guys

2427
01:46:14,100 --> 01:46:13,090
yeah thanks we have to have another we

2428
01:46:16,530 --> 01:46:14,110
just to let you know we have another

2429
01:46:18,540 --> 01:46:16,540
caller waiting so go ahead all right

2430
01:46:22,110 --> 01:46:18,550
yeah yeah thanks Andy that's a great

2431
01:46:24,090 --> 01:46:22,120
question I don't really have cases like

2432
01:46:25,140 --> 01:46:24,100
that in particular you know I've talked

2433
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:25,150
to a few people who have been scuba

2434
01:46:29,790 --> 01:46:27,130
diving and have seen stuff we mentioned

2435
01:46:32,100 --> 01:46:29,800
one there was another lady who was scuba

2436
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:32,110
diving and had a UFO sighting and was

2437
01:46:39,959 --> 01:46:36,250
actually abducted while scuba diving off

2438
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:39,969
off the coast of Catalina Island so yeah

2439
01:46:42,959 --> 01:46:41,650
it does happen I think this is probably

2440
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:42,969
a lot more common but getting these

2441
01:46:46,700 --> 01:46:44,890
people to talk is another story

2442
01:46:47,970 --> 01:46:46,710
particularly if they're in the military

2443
01:46:50,490 --> 01:46:47,980
hmm

2444
01:46:52,620 --> 01:46:50,500
so yeah I'm guessing there's a lot of

2445
01:46:55,530 --> 01:46:52,630
reports we're not hearing about right

2446
01:46:57,300 --> 01:46:55,540
right so caller thanks for holding

2447
01:47:00,900 --> 01:46:57,310
what's your first name and where you

2448
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:00,910
calling from this is Ryan from South

2449
01:47:04,919 --> 01:47:02,650
Carolina Oh Ryan I haven't heard from

2450
01:47:06,540 --> 01:47:04,929
you in a long time how you doing yeah

2451
01:47:09,630 --> 01:47:06,550
pretty good I haven't not yes but about

2452
01:47:14,220 --> 01:47:09,640
him up to two eyes yeah yeah you got a

2453
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:14,230
question for Preston yeah I did um he

2454
01:47:21,689 --> 01:47:18,130
had mentioned earlier that he considered

2455
01:47:24,450 --> 01:47:21,699
there was large numbers of UFOs in the

2456
01:47:27,209 --> 01:47:24,460
ocean and they're all over the place I

2457
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:27,219
just wondered if he had a theory as to

2458
01:47:34,530 --> 01:47:31,210
their purpose y'all may have covered

2459
01:47:36,150 --> 01:47:34,540
this earlier but that I was distracted

2460
01:47:37,709 --> 01:47:36,160
at one point by just wondering if he if

2461
01:47:39,630 --> 01:47:37,719
he had a theory as to what they were

2462
01:47:43,470 --> 01:47:39,640
doing was it simple exploration or

2463
01:47:45,450 --> 01:47:43,480
something else good right no yeah that

2464
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:45,460
is a great question and it's the

2465
01:47:48,630 --> 01:47:46,810
million-dollar question really because

2466
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:48,640
we can only speculate as to what the

2467
01:47:53,010 --> 01:47:51,130
alien agenda is there's been some

2468
01:47:56,790 --> 01:47:53,020
speculation that they value water and

2469
01:47:58,200 --> 01:47:56,800
can use it as a fuel perhaps I don't

2470
01:47:59,850 --> 01:47:58,210
think there's a whole lot of evidence to

2471
01:48:02,459 --> 01:47:59,860
speak to that but there are many cases

2472
01:48:03,250 --> 01:48:02,469
where people have seen UFOs sucking up

2473
01:48:06,250 --> 01:48:03,260
water

2474
01:48:08,709 --> 01:48:06,260
out of lakes and things like this yeah

2475
01:48:10,779 --> 01:48:08,719
so I mean that's a possibility as far as

2476
01:48:11,979 --> 01:48:10,789
exploring our planet well yeah we know

2477
01:48:14,529 --> 01:48:11,989
they're doing that they're abducting

2478
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:14,539
people they're picking plants of all

2479
01:48:19,569 --> 01:48:17,210
kinds or taking pretty much all samples

2480
01:48:21,819 --> 01:48:19,579
of animals and most of our life is

2481
01:48:23,770 --> 01:48:21,829
underwater so if they're going to do a

2482
01:48:26,979 --> 01:48:23,780
full survey of our planet it's gonna

2483
01:48:28,990 --> 01:48:26,989
entail a lot of ocean research and so

2484
01:48:32,890 --> 01:48:29,000
yeah I'm guessing that's part of it

2485
01:48:35,140 --> 01:48:32,900
there's the alien agenda is a big

2486
01:48:38,049 --> 01:48:35,150
subject to tackle I think there's a lot

2487
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:38,059
of reasons they're here I think we are

2488
01:48:43,540 --> 01:48:40,610
probably one of their main draws their

2489
01:48:45,819 --> 01:48:43,550
variation all things human and I think

2490
01:48:48,279 --> 01:48:45,829
that's probably what the main reason why

2491
01:48:53,169 --> 01:48:48,289
they're here

2492
01:48:57,419 --> 01:48:53,179
Ryan anything else all right hey thanks

2493
01:49:02,319 --> 01:48:57,429
for the call Ryan all right thank you so

2494
01:49:05,740 --> 01:49:02,329
so there let's just say that there is a

2495
01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:05,750
base and they're underwater

2496
01:49:12,220 --> 01:49:10,400
why would like when a sighting that you

2497
01:49:13,930 --> 01:49:12,230
talked about earlier why would 200 of

2498
01:49:18,220 --> 01:49:13,940
them come out I mean that's almost like

2499
01:49:20,649 --> 01:49:18,230
a that's almost like a invasion of some

2500
01:49:22,270 --> 01:49:20,659
kind or it seems like it would be I feel

2501
01:49:23,859 --> 01:49:22,280
like when if I saw that I think we're

2502
01:49:26,319 --> 01:49:23,869
being invaded

2503
01:49:29,740 --> 01:49:26,329
I wonder what something like that would

2504
01:49:31,930 --> 01:49:29,750
have been about when and in that

2505
01:49:34,919 --> 01:49:31,940
particular case did you say there was a

2506
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:34,929
lot of witnesses that actually saw that

2507
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:37,760
yes someone saw one or two craft

2508
01:49:44,290 --> 01:49:40,250
somewhere chase down the road some saw

2509
01:49:46,149 --> 01:49:44,300
five or ten some saw ten or twenty one

2510
01:49:47,589 --> 01:49:46,159
guy down by the beach actually saw some

2511
01:49:49,569 --> 01:49:47,599
of this stuff you didn't see it come out

2512
01:49:51,549 --> 01:49:49,579
of the water he heard it heard this very

2513
01:49:54,310 --> 01:49:51,559
loud splash of water other people were

2514
01:49:55,660 --> 01:49:54,320
screaming he's done the Venice area he

2515
01:49:58,930 --> 01:49:55,670
turns and looks at the water and this

2516
01:49:59,529 --> 01:49:58,940
huge giant object has just come out of

2517
01:50:01,870 --> 01:49:59,539
the water

2518
01:50:03,549 --> 01:50:01,880
waterfalls are coming down around it he

2519
01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:03,559
says it must have been stadium size it

2520
01:50:07,779 --> 01:50:05,360
was huge he couldn't tell exactly how

2521
01:50:10,089 --> 01:50:07,789
big but he knew it was because there was

2522
01:50:11,979 --> 01:50:10,099
little objects next to it which looked

2523
01:50:13,569 --> 01:50:11,989
like they were about 20 feet across and

2524
01:50:16,029 --> 01:50:13,579
they looked like little bugs next to it

2525
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:16,039
and he says honestly I only saw this

2526
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:16,850
thing for maybe

2527
01:50:24,730 --> 01:50:21,050
three seconds it just darted north very

2528
01:50:29,170 --> 01:50:24,740
fast so he only got a brief glimpse of

2529
01:50:32,170 --> 01:50:29,180
it really but yeah definitely uh large

2530
01:50:34,390 --> 01:50:32,180
numbers of objects and I think that's

2531
01:50:36,700 --> 01:50:34,400
one of the main reasons and one of my

2532
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:36,710
main data points but I mean I talked to

2533
01:50:41,590 --> 01:50:38,810
whistleblowers as well people who were

2534
01:50:43,390 --> 01:50:41,600
government insiders and a number of

2535
01:50:47,860 --> 01:50:43,400
people told me there's a tunnel in this

2536
01:50:50,440 --> 01:50:47,870
area that leads from actually area 51 to

2537
01:50:52,420 --> 01:50:50,450
Edwards Air Force Base area 51 in Nevada

2538
01:50:55,150 --> 01:50:52,430
to Edwards Air Force Base in the high

2539
01:50:58,120 --> 01:50:55,160
desert all the way to the Catalina

2540
01:51:00,520 --> 01:50:58,130
channel area I'm not just one person

2541
01:51:02,110 --> 01:51:00,530
telling this a number of people and my

2542
01:51:05,260 --> 01:51:02,120
dream is well do you think that's

2543
01:51:11,830 --> 01:51:05,270
believable I mean I don't it sounds like

2544
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:11,840
a monumental I mean to go there by any

2545
01:51:18,850 --> 01:51:14,290
miles how many miles is that in toll

2546
01:51:20,230 --> 01:51:18,860
it's a lot thousands so it's after you

2547
01:51:21,700 --> 01:51:20,240
know the third or fourth person starts

2548
01:51:23,950 --> 01:51:21,710
selling this I'm beginning to wonder

2549
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:23,960
certainly I looked into this sort of

2550
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:25,610
thing and there's evidence to support

2551
01:51:32,230 --> 01:51:28,880
this richard Souder wrote a book called

2552
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:32,240
underground undersea bases yeah yeah

2553
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:34,130
yeah he talks quite a bit about this

2554
01:51:38,620 --> 01:51:36,530
sort of thing I think the technology is

2555
01:51:41,110 --> 01:51:38,630
probably there to do it and it's

2556
01:51:43,330 --> 01:51:41,120
according to these guys that they told

2557
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:43,340
me that you know it's a huge tunnel it's

2558
01:51:47,100 --> 01:51:44,810
underwater and it's big enough for

2559
01:51:49,300 --> 01:51:47,110
multiple submarines to go in and out and

2560
01:51:53,620 --> 01:51:49,310
what I found really interesting it was

2561
01:51:55,660 --> 01:51:53,630
you know but 2006 when I started really

2562
01:51:58,930 --> 01:51:55,670
looking into this years later this

2563
01:52:01,030 --> 01:51:58,940
so-called malibu anomaly appears all

2564
01:52:03,670 --> 01:52:01,040
over the internet right in the center of

2565
01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:03,680
this area which appears to show a tunnel

2566
01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:06,560
it really does in some google image it's

2567
01:52:11,770 --> 01:52:09,890
not all but uh you can't really pick the

2568
01:52:14,170 --> 01:52:11,780
ones that don't show the tunnels any

2569
01:52:15,460 --> 01:52:14,180
more than the ones that do so I'm kind

2570
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:15,470
of on the fence about this so-called

2571
01:52:20,230 --> 01:52:18,890
anomaly but I do find it intriguing that

2572
01:52:22,150 --> 01:52:20,240
it's right in the middle where all this

2573
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:22,160
activity is where these people said a

2574
01:52:29,230 --> 01:52:26,210
tunnel was right I think that was I

2575
01:52:30,339 --> 01:52:29,240
think there was a lot of controversy

2576
01:52:33,939 --> 01:52:30,349
about that

2577
01:52:37,689 --> 01:52:33,949
and supposedly debunked but I mean has

2578
01:52:41,649 --> 01:52:37,699
anyone actually I mean how far under the

2579
01:52:44,219 --> 01:52:41,659
water is that anomaly um it's six miles

2580
01:52:47,049 --> 01:52:44,229
out and you know many hundreds feet down

2581
01:52:49,719 --> 01:52:47,059
there was a show with Rob Lowe called

2582
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:49,729
location where they explore various

2583
01:52:55,270 --> 01:52:51,679
paranormal phenomenon and went to this

2584
01:52:56,889 --> 01:52:55,280
place and sent down a unmanned sub you

2585
01:53:00,279 --> 01:52:56,899
know submersible to check it out

2586
01:53:03,250 --> 01:53:00,289
yeah and and I didn't find any evidence

2587
01:53:05,290 --> 01:53:03,260
of artificial construction but it was a

2588
01:53:08,049 --> 01:53:05,300
pretty shoestring project you know not a

2589
01:53:10,060 --> 01:53:08,059
whole lot of time was put into it and I

2590
01:53:12,369 --> 01:53:10,070
think the you know the it's still an

2591
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:12,379
open question it's supposedly you know

2592
01:53:17,830 --> 01:53:14,090
if you talk to skeptics they're gonna

2593
01:53:20,259 --> 01:53:17,840
say no mm hmm so yeah that's kind of why

2594
01:53:21,969 --> 01:53:20,269
I'm on the fence about it I don't think

2595
01:53:24,759 --> 01:53:21,979
this is quite enough proof to say that's

2596
01:53:26,409 --> 01:53:24,769
it Robert Stanley says you know they

2597
01:53:27,969 --> 01:53:26,419
don't even need a base they can just go

2598
01:53:30,429 --> 01:53:27,979
through wormholes and things like this

2599
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:30,439
so it's a possibility that that's what

2600
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:31,010
they're doing

2601
01:53:36,790 --> 01:53:33,280
it's possibility they're using this

2602
01:53:38,199 --> 01:53:36,800
so-called natural formation as a base

2603
01:53:40,869 --> 01:53:38,209
you know just because it's natural

2604
01:53:42,399 --> 01:53:40,879
doesn't preclude it from being used or

2605
01:53:44,439 --> 01:53:42,409
for that matter it might not even be

2606
01:53:45,849 --> 01:53:44,449
that it could be somewhere else because

2607
01:53:47,889 --> 01:53:45,859
these things can not only go through

2608
01:53:49,689 --> 01:53:47,899
water they can go through solid earth

2609
01:53:51,969 --> 01:53:49,699
there's a number of cases where people

2610
01:53:54,819 --> 01:53:51,979
seen these things go down into the

2611
01:53:57,729 --> 01:53:54,829
ground the ground seems to open up just

2612
01:54:01,209 --> 01:53:57,739
swallow them so yeah I've heard of a

2613
01:54:02,889 --> 01:54:01,219
couple of situations like that sounds so

2614
01:54:06,189 --> 01:54:02,899
bizarre doesn't it now

2615
01:54:08,619 --> 01:54:06,199
what about I know you're you're you're

2616
01:54:13,270 --> 01:54:08,629
focusing off the coast there but you

2617
01:54:16,060 --> 01:54:13,280
mentioned earlier lakes and in and also

2618
01:54:18,040 --> 01:54:16,070
when you were talking about them drawing

2619
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:18,050
water up there's a real famous case

2620
01:54:23,409 --> 01:54:21,050
where all these people saw that that had

2621
01:54:25,750 --> 01:54:23,419
like these condos along the lakes they

2622
01:54:27,580 --> 01:54:25,760
all saw out the window or those the

2623
01:54:31,199 --> 01:54:27,590
stream of water was going up to this

2624
01:54:33,339 --> 01:54:31,209
craft but I know that California has

2625
01:54:37,149 --> 01:54:33,349
reservoirs more than you know lakes

2626
01:54:40,179 --> 01:54:37,159
other talks about any US owes in the

2627
01:54:43,719 --> 01:54:40,189
lakes in California oh yeah

2628
01:54:44,380 --> 01:54:43,729
well not a whole lot really one I did

2629
01:54:47,260 --> 01:54:44,390
find was Lake

2630
01:54:51,460 --> 01:54:47,270
casitas which is real close to this area

2631
01:54:52,990 --> 01:54:51,470
it's an artificial lake but uh didn't

2632
01:54:55,960 --> 01:54:53,000
bother really remarkable sighting where

2633
01:54:58,450 --> 01:54:55,970
the guy saw this object come out of the

2634
01:55:01,620 --> 01:54:58,460
water there was a window in it a very

2635
01:55:03,910 --> 01:55:01,630
large plastic kind of heavy looking

2636
01:55:06,070 --> 01:55:03,920
window you could see a humanoid figure

2637
01:55:07,780 --> 01:55:06,080
behind it he had a camera with him and

2638
01:55:11,080 --> 01:55:07,790
he was able to actually photograph this

2639
01:55:14,380 --> 01:55:11,090
thing as it moved off not a great photo

2640
01:55:16,570 --> 01:55:14,390
but it shows something there's a number

2641
01:55:19,180 --> 01:55:16,580
of cases of UFOs and rivers I mean I

2642
01:55:22,620 --> 01:55:19,190
mentioned one in Arkansas in the Lake

2643
01:55:25,510 --> 01:55:22,630
Hamilton out of Hot Springs Arkansas a

2644
01:55:27,130 --> 01:55:25,520
four teenagers were on their little

2645
01:55:28,420 --> 01:55:27,140
speedboat there they had parked they

2646
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:28,430
were just going to park there and mess

2647
01:55:33,220 --> 01:55:31,010
around a little bit of two boys two

2648
01:55:36,090 --> 01:55:33,230
girls you know what I mean just having

2649
01:55:38,260 --> 01:55:36,100
you know a good time and suddenly this

2650
01:55:41,080 --> 01:55:38,270
USO because I don't know what else to

2651
01:55:43,060 --> 01:55:41,090
call it comes up and right next to their

2652
01:55:46,810 --> 01:55:43,070
boat it's twice the size of their boat

2653
01:55:47,890 --> 01:55:46,820
it's black it's completely round the

2654
01:55:49,150 --> 01:55:47,900
girls are freaking out they're like

2655
01:55:51,340 --> 01:55:49,160
let's get out of here they can hear

2656
01:55:54,670 --> 01:55:51,350
gurgling or something so they gunned the

2657
01:55:56,500 --> 01:55:54,680
boat the boat will not move it's stuck

2658
01:55:57,820 --> 01:55:56,510
so they're all freaking out at this

2659
01:55:59,800 --> 01:55:57,830
point when suddenly they have missing

2660
01:56:02,860 --> 01:55:59,810
time there's somewhere else on the lake

2661
01:56:06,310 --> 01:56:02,870
it's two hours later and they're moving

2662
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:06,320
at full speed the us yet the USO is gone

2663
01:56:11,260 --> 01:56:08,930
they rush home and their parents are

2664
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:11,270
furious don't want to hear anything

2665
01:56:16,030 --> 01:56:14,090
about any USO and are gonna call the

2666
01:56:19,300 --> 01:56:16,040
police unless those boys go home right

2667
01:56:22,390 --> 01:56:19,310
now so yeah there's a number of cases

2668
01:56:25,420 --> 01:56:22,400
like this within you know in upstate New

2669
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:25,430
York there's a number of cases in which

2670
01:56:31,270 --> 01:56:28,090
these objects were seen in tiny little

2671
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:31,280
reservoirs not deep at all yeah so

2672
01:56:36,790 --> 01:56:34,610
they're hidin yeah Wow bizarre I almost

2673
01:56:40,570 --> 01:56:36,800
forgot to ask this was Bobby sent this

2674
01:56:44,050 --> 01:56:40,580
in and he's usually a listener to the

2675
01:56:47,290 --> 01:56:44,060
show how about the Leo Carrillo State

2676
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:47,300
Park on Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu

2677
01:56:51,370 --> 01:56:49,010
there was some type of sighting the air

2678
01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:51,380
did you ever hear about that happier

2679
01:56:56,020 --> 01:56:53,930
than each number of sightings in that

2680
01:56:58,090 --> 01:56:56,030
area it's right there in the center of

2681
01:57:00,490 --> 01:56:58,100
the activity gosh my favorite

2682
01:57:02,890 --> 01:57:00,500
involves a really interesting sighting

2683
01:57:05,230 --> 01:57:02,900
and which a group of partygoers about

2684
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:05,240
you know 40 or 50 of them had decided to

2685
01:57:10,180 --> 01:57:08,170
throw a little nighttime beach party and

2686
01:57:11,980 --> 01:57:10,190
late into the night it's the parties

2687
01:57:14,890 --> 01:57:11,990
beginning to wind down 10 or 11 o'clock

2688
01:57:16,810 --> 01:57:14,900
or so a group of them go down to the

2689
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:16,820
water because there's this USL out there

2690
01:57:19,270 --> 01:57:18,410
and they're trying to figure out what

2691
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:19,280
the heck is it

2692
01:57:22,540 --> 01:57:20,810
it's got colored lights all over it it's

2693
01:57:24,490 --> 01:57:22,550
huge it looks like a cruise ship

2694
01:57:26,250 --> 01:57:24,500
it's obviously not because the lights

2695
01:57:28,540 --> 01:57:26,260
are all random in different shapes

2696
01:57:28,810 --> 01:57:28,550
nothing the oil platform what could this

2697
01:57:40,870 --> 01:57:28,820
be

2698
01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:40,880
bright Bank of stadium lights switches

2699
01:57:45,340 --> 01:57:43,610
on it's impossible there's no way this

2700
01:57:47,350 --> 01:57:45,350
car lights could do this

2701
01:57:51,150 --> 01:57:47,360
so all everyone in the party looks up at

2702
01:57:53,620 --> 01:57:51,160
these Bank of lights which flick off and

2703
01:57:57,430 --> 01:57:53,630
suddenly coming down the stairs is a

2704
01:57:58,960 --> 01:57:57,440
group of humanoids when at this point it

2705
01:58:01,750 --> 01:57:58,970
got it got very strange a lot of the

2706
01:58:03,910 --> 01:58:01,760
partygoers kind of switched off don't

2707
01:58:06,520 --> 01:58:03,920
didn't react to the humanoids didn't

2708
01:58:09,070 --> 01:58:06,530
apparently notice them didn't remember

2709
01:58:10,420 --> 01:58:09,080
them afterwards but the guy I

2710
01:58:12,550 --> 01:58:10,430
interviewed remembered him he's had

2711
01:58:15,190 --> 01:58:12,560
encounters his whole life and he said

2712
01:58:17,380 --> 01:58:15,200
that there was ten of then at least men

2713
01:58:19,980 --> 01:58:17,390
and women all dressed in blue jumpsuits

2714
01:58:22,930 --> 01:58:19,990
all about five five and a half feet tall

2715
01:58:26,290 --> 01:58:22,940
all looked very similar like twins

2716
01:58:29,070 --> 01:58:26,300
almost dark complected like South

2717
01:58:32,830 --> 01:58:29,080
American maybe or meso American

2718
01:58:34,720 --> 01:58:32,840
Shorthair good-looking and we're walking

2719
01:58:37,870 --> 01:58:34,730
among the group in a very strange ways

2720
01:58:39,700 --> 01:58:37,880
as it's surveying him or something had

2721
01:58:41,950 --> 01:58:39,710
weird stuff there hands with lights on

2722
01:58:44,020 --> 01:58:41,960
it and start signaling to this USO out

2723
01:58:47,380 --> 01:58:44,030
in the water they ended up all having

2724
01:58:50,050 --> 01:58:47,390
missing time when when he woke up he was

2725
01:58:51,340 --> 01:58:50,060
down by the beach in a row with ten

2726
01:58:53,620 --> 01:58:51,350
other people there was another row of

2727
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:53,630
ten people behind him no footprints

2728
01:58:58,750 --> 01:58:55,010
around them just this weird kind of

2729
01:59:00,550 --> 01:58:58,760
imprint in the sand around them and he

2730
01:59:05,220 --> 01:59:00,560
had some partial memories of being taken

2731
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:05,230
on board Wow boy that's a wild one and

2732
01:59:09,820 --> 01:59:07,370
what do you have coming up next we have

2733
01:59:11,620 --> 01:59:09,830
we are out of time so do you have a

2734
01:59:12,820 --> 01:59:11,630
doing any writing

2735
01:59:15,879 --> 01:59:12,830
other books in the middle of writing

2736
01:59:17,530 --> 01:59:15,889
something new or head oh yeah yeah oh

2737
01:59:19,419 --> 01:59:17,540
it's always keeping them busy

2738
01:59:21,399 --> 01:59:19,429
definitely um I've got a new book coming

2739
01:59:25,149 --> 01:59:21,409
out hopefully later this year it'll be

2740
01:59:27,310 --> 01:59:25,159
vol 3 of my series not from here about

2741
01:59:30,129 --> 01:59:27,320
the weirder and more unusual aspects of

2742
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:30,139
UFO encounters and I'm also working on a

2743
01:59:34,750 --> 01:59:32,690
book about UFO healings that was the

2744
01:59:37,660 --> 01:59:34,760
subject of my first first book yeah

2745
01:59:40,180 --> 01:59:37,670
I had a hundred cases a lot yeah lot of

2746
01:59:44,020 --> 01:59:40,190
people talked about that yeah probably

2747
01:59:46,060 --> 01:59:44,030
gosh 200 250 cases now Wow excellent

2748
01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:46,070
well we're out of time pressing anyone

2749
01:59:50,709 --> 01:59:48,050
can reach on your do you have a website

2750
01:59:52,120 --> 01:59:50,719
I can't remember yeah yeah I do if you

2751
01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:52,130
just google my name it should take you

2752
01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:53,770
there pressing Zdenek weebly.com

2753
01:59:58,180 --> 01:59:56,090
excellent thanks so much it's always a

2754
01:59:59,919 --> 01:59:58,190
pleasure talking to you Preston hey

2755
02:00:02,140 --> 01:59:59,929
thanks Martin I appreciate it all right

2756
02:00:05,350 --> 02:00:02,150
you take care bye

2757
02:00:09,580 --> 02:00:05,360
alright bye alright everyone so thanks

2758
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:09,590
so much next week we have an interesting

2759
02:00:15,669 --> 02:00:13,730
guest coming up and that is we have his

2760
02:00:17,979 --> 02:00:15,679
name is let me get it here Loren

2761
02:00:20,890 --> 02:00:17,989
Christiansen he's a former police

2762
02:00:24,070 --> 02:00:20,900
officer and he is going to be talking

2763
02:00:26,379 --> 02:00:24,080
about cops and UFO so that's next week

2764
02:00:28,149 --> 02:00:26,389
should be an interesting show thanks so

2765
02:00:29,410 --> 02:00:28,159
much everyone for listening I want to

2766
02:00:32,200 --> 02:00:29,420
thank the people that helps out with the

2767
02:00:34,149 --> 02:00:32,210
show Alejandro Rojas our guest preston

2768
02:00:38,620 --> 02:00:34,159
Dennett Evan for working behind the

2769
02:00:41,830 --> 02:00:38,630
scenes on YouTube and Peggy for managing

2770
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:41,840
our Facebook page and again I want to

2771
02:00:46,300 --> 02:00:44,570
thank you all for listening and if

2772
02:00:49,720 --> 02:00:46,310
you're on the Dark Matter digital

2773
02:00:52,120 --> 02:00:49,730
network you'll be listening to Dave

2774
02:00:54,189 --> 02:00:52,130
Schrader coming up on midnight in the

2775
02:00:55,629 --> 02:00:54,199
desert right after this all right

2776
02:00:57,550 --> 02:00:55,639
everyone so remember to keep your eyes

2777
02:01:02,800 --> 02:00:57,560
to the sky